Ron Siem

Michael and Terry: Thank you for your help and insight. I understand the concepts much better. I just wanted to understand how TMG works before entering a lot of entries incorrectly. I see now where I will need to use complete sources and other times where I can input part of the source data and will use a CD in the Citation for the remaining information. Thanks again for your assistance Ron Siem

Michael: Thanks for the reply. I don't have much of a problem editing the sources and/or the CD. In the interview example I used my problem was figuring out how to get the Bibliography to come out with the following: Interview with Sally Jones on mm/dd/yyyy date If I put most of the information in the CD (lumper) and per my original question the CD object is not allowed in the Bilbiography template then how can I get the name of the person interviewed and/or the interview date without entering a separate source for each interview. Again what I am most concerned about is trying to get a basic entry to appear in the Bibliograpy. My main issue is that I cannot use the CD in Bibliography output template in the source so how to I edit the ibliography output template to get the basic output that I need for the Bibliography (see 2nd paragraph above). I think what I am want to do is not possible. I was trying to figure out how other lumpers get their Bibliographies to show even basic outputs - nothing fancy without having to create multiple sources for the same source type. Hope this explains my question a little better. Thanks. Ron Siem

Michael: Thanks for the reply. I understand better but still missing a piece that maybe you can clarify for me. Take the simple example of a Family Interview source using the Interview source type. I only want to create one Family Interview source and use it for multiple family interviews rather than create multiple sources for each individual interview. The source fields are shown: Title: Family Member Interview Informant: Interviewer: Ron Siem Date: Informant Address: I have left the Informant, Date and Informant Address fields blank because I may have several interviews of several different persons (informants) over a span of time (multiple dates) and have an informant addresses associated with each informant. So for the footnote(s) I just use the following: <, [CD].>< [REPOSITORY] ([REPOSITORY ADDRESS]).>< [COMMENTS]> In the citation details I entered: Interview with Ema Schutt Clark (Route 21, Marion, Wayne County, New York), by Ron Siem, August 1984. Everything is good so far. Now the default Bibliography output tab in the source has: [iNFORMANT], interview.< [iNTERVIEW DATE],> [iNFORMANT ADDRESS]. [REPOSITORY]; [REPOSITORY ADDRESS]. Now when I run the report Individual Narrative -> Individual Narrative preview with sources the Bibliography shows: unknown informant, interview. unknown informant address. Personal Archives - Ron Siem; 417 North Greece Road, Rochester, Monroe County, New York, USA 14468. This is to be expected. The repository part is fine. I just can't get the informant name, informant address in the Bibliography - at least I don't know how other than input the data directly into the Source List entry in the Master Source List. Unless there is something that I am missing it appears that I will need to create an individual source entry for each interview that I had for a particular person. So if I interviewed Sally Smith on two different dates and then also did a different interview with David Jones then I will need to create 3 interview sources in the Master Source List (2 each for Sally using 2 different dates and one for David Jones). Now I can remove the < [iNTERVIEW DATE],> field from the Bibliography template which is fine. But I still won't get the "Interview with Sally Smith" on Bibliography. So if I create multiple sources for each informant then if I do this doesn't this defeat the idea of being a lumper and really is a splitter? Can you please offer your comments? Thanks. Ron Siem

Michael: Thanks for your detailed reply. I think I understand what you are stating. Could you give me an example of a source entry with your footnotes and bibliograpy entry as described in your initial response? I am a visual learner and if I see an actual example it will help me apply the concept. Thanks. Ron Siem

Thanks Terry for your reply. Based on your reponse, then how do lumpers manage to get their bibliographies to come out correctly (or have partially correct) if they are not entering all the data into the Source fields in the Master Source List?

Hello: The forum engine has changed. How do you upload or include images (jpg) in posts? I tried the Image icon and it asks for a URL. The images are either in a Word document or locally on my pc - not on the the web. Can someone please provide instructions on how to include images in postings? Thanks. Ron Siem

Hello: As with most users I am now going thru and getting my sources and citations correct. I am a lumper and primarily creating one source for each newspaper, cemetery, church, etc. I am entering most of the footnote information into the Citation Detail screen. My problem isn't so much the footnote/short note output as the Bibliography. Because I am not entering all the details into the Master Source List the Bibliography shows "unknown" output. Then I saw articles in TMG forums/websites on using Split CD's to format output and thought I would try this method for the Bibliography. Example: Have Master Source for Passenger Lists – NY Passenger Lists using the Source Type: Ship Passenger List (filmed). Title: New York Passenger Lists 1820-1950 Record Type: Passenger Manifest All remaining fields blank Modified the Bibliography to use split CD's <[iTAL:][CD2][:ITAL]><,[CD3]><,[CD4]><,[CD5]:><,[CD6].> Original setup: <[iTAL:][sERIES][:ITAL]><. [FILM]><, [ROLL]><. [PUBLISHER ADDRESS]: [PUBLISHER].> Edited the Citation Detail to use the Split CD's: || Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1820-1897||National Archives Microfilm Publication M237, 675 rolls||M237_436,Line: 22; List Number: 518||National Archives||Washington, D.C. Microfilm Roll: M237_436; Line: 22; List Number: 518; Records 290 and 291. Ran the Report -> Individual Narrative -> Individual Narrative preview with sources (TMG v 8) The Bibliography output just shows the split cd codes but no data. <[CD2]><,[CD3]><,[CD4]><,[CD5]:><,[CD6].>. Complete citation detail in text format: "New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957", digital images,Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 18 January 2012), manifest, Lessing , Hamburg, Germany to New York, arriving 4 May 1881, Frederick Buckmann; citing National Archives Microfilm Publication M237, 675 rolls; Records of the U.S. Customs Service, Record Group 36; National Archives, Washington, D.C. Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service; National Archives, Washington, D.C. || Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1820-1897||National Archives Microfilm Publication M237, 675 rolls||M237_436,Line: 22; List Number: 518||National Archives||Washington, D.C. Microfilm Roll: M237_436; Line: 22; List Number: 518; Records 290 and 291. Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1820-1897; Tried removing all spaces between main CD1 entry and the split CD's but still got same output as above. Questions: 1) Can you use split CD's for Bibliographies like Citations? 2) What is causing the codes to appear but no data? 3) If I can't use Split CD's for Bibliographies then how do you get the right data to appear in the output without using individual sources for each person/record? Thanks. Ron Siem

Hi: I have many PDF and images attached as external exhibits in TMG. I am wondering if other TMG users mark-up or highlight records in their exhibits? For example: I have an image of a ship manifest showing about 60 entries. I can edit the image to either highlight the records that pertain to the subject person or place a rectangle around the records. There are pros and cons: pro - it would make it easier to zero in and identify which record(s) on the page pertain to the ancestor. Con - changing a source document so it is not "original" anymore. Any thoughts on best practices? Thanks. Ron Siem

Would like to request a feature for Census records in a future release of TMG. This would be for the U.S. Federal Censuses. Would like to see a grid open up in a census tag that would show that year's census form in a grid/Excel type format. The grid would display all the questions/data for that year's Census. Users would be able to use the Person or ID search to populate the ID for each person in the Name field of the grid. Continue to manually inputting data or use place list data to populate remaining fields. Basically filling out the census into a grid form. There would need to be a separate form for each census or decade. Data could be reported using the field names in grid.

Using TMG v 7.01. Would like to add citations using sources such as cemetery records or records from church books. I looked at the source types (E.S. Mills Evidence types) and see source for either Cemetery Marker or Cemetery Marker (Published). Do not see source type for written cemetery records. Also have extensive notes/extracts from church records (birth, marriage, baptism/christening, and death). Again I do not see source types for either church records or church birth/death sources. There is a Church Minute source but that doesn't really fit. While I understand that the Source List is not intended to be an exhaustive list, I am surprised that these basic sources are not listed as source types. What is the correct source type that I should use for either the cemetery record and/or the church records? Thanks for any help. Ron Siem

I have a group family portrait with multiple persons in it. I am using external exhibits. I would like to reference each person in the picture to the picture. 1) Do add an exhibit for each person and reference the same file? 2) Do I copy the same caption over again for each exhibit entry? I am still a little confused on how exhibits link back to a person, event or citation. Also I want to track people's e-mail address as part of their contact info in the Address tag, but do not see a field for e-mail address. I don't use the Latitude or Longitude fields. 3) Can I remove the unneeded fields and add the e-mail field in their place? 4) If so, how do I add the e-mail address field? Thanks. Ron Siem

I am a new user to TMG. I have been using 2 primary web sites (Ancestry.Com and Old Fulton Newspapers.Com) to gather Census and newspaper articles/obituaries for family members. I am unclear on how to create the Source and Citation and Respositories for these items. The Census records from Ancestry are really from the National Archives. 1) My citation will show the roll/page/district information but is the source the National Archives or Ancestry.com? 2) How do I put the source as the National Archives but mention somewhere in either the citation or source that the census records were viewed/obtained thru Ancestry.Com? I forgot to mention that I plan on most Census and Newspaper sources to be input as a "Lumper" (i.e. one source per newspaper with the details of the newspaper in the citation) I have obituaries downloaded in PDF files from Old Fulton Newspapers website. 3) Is the repository the website and how to input the website as a repository? The source will be the actual newspaper with the citation referencing the date/page/column of where the obituary was found in the newspaper. 4) Where do I put the actual text of the obituary? Do I put it in the Death tag memo field or in the citation memo field? 5) Do reports get affected by where the obituary text is input (question above)? I am using external exhibit folders and keeping the PDF files of the newspapers/obituaries in that folder. 6) Should I be putting the text of the obituary as part of the exhibit log (Properties -> Description tab -> Description field? or in the Caption field? 7) Are exhibits attached to any tags or just to specific kinds of tags (event tags)? 8) It appears that exhibits can be associated to sources and repositories. Can exhibits be attached to citations? 9) For scanned photographs, I have added a text box with the caption/photo information as part of the photo file itself. Should I input the caption into the Exhibit Caption field also? Does the caption field data appear on any reports? I would appreciate help in understanding these concepts and how to use TMG to the best advantage. Thanks. Ron Siem

I am a new user to TMG. I had been using the Address tags for storing both the current address and their previous addresses for a person. After reviewing the forum, it appears that I should be using the Residence tag for previous (historical) addresses and use the Address tag for the current or last address - is this correct? 2nd question: I would like to include the person's e-mail address as part of their address. I don't see a field to input the e-mail address. How do I get the e-mail address as part of the Address tag? Thanks. Ron Siem