Michael Hannah

Thank you Michael,

I am totally embarrassed :-( I should have thought of that myself.

Afina

 

Happy to help. There are just so many great features in TMG that it is easy to forget how it tries to "help" by remembering your personal configurations. Glad your problem is solved.

Hello Afina,

Not sure if this is the problem, but....

It is possible to change the widths of a column in the MPL. In fact you can shrink the width so that it appears it does not exits. Try putting your cursor in the column headings at the left side of the Country column until it turns into a vertical bar with arrows. Then hold down your left mouse button and drag to the right and see if the State colum reappears. Now when you close the MPL it will "remember" the column sizes you wanted the next time it opens, which is possibly why you now see it and then it goes away.

Also the latest version (1.5.0.2) fixes a number of security problems since your version of 1.0.7 that I would highly suggest updating.

Me too!

On the TMG-L listserv there are reports that it makes a difference HOW you did your backup. Can you specify whether you made the backup while being prompted to do so as you exit? or explicitly while in TMG using the Backup option in the File menu. Some users have reported problems with backups produced using the first method, while the second seems to be reliable.

...

My PDA needs to run 2 programs that can interface.

one to show my current tree. and its Tags. so I can refer to any of my current records relating to any of my ancestors. Also refer to my TODO list.

The second a Database which allows records tobe made and kept as I go along but which can also transfer a record directly as a tag to my TMG file by selecting the relivent person or adding the relivent person to someone already in my TMG File...

The second Database I would like is a database based on Records about People.

The 2 would be complemetary and allow Data tobe Copied between the 2 because the fileds making the database's would be compatible allowing free datatransfere via a wizard.

Wow! That would be quite a pair of programs. I use a Palm OS T3, so my first program is GedStar Pro, which I like, although TMG needs to update their GenBridge utility so that it can make use of some of the new Version 6 features. As for the second, I have SmartList ToGo. I have not tried it, but believe you could run some kind of TMG List of People report or Export of a Focus Group to produce a field separated file which could be imported into SLTG. That would allow easy records that were modifiable, but importing back into TMG would be a trick. If you figure this out. let us know.

I now can reliably reproduce my report error simply using the

standard Sample database and a simple filter.

 

Virginia B., one of the major users, reproduced my error, but then suggested that I reset the report configuration (using the Delete button under the configuration name). This does seem to clear up the generation of this error.

 

However, while I can now proceed with my work, hopefully providing one easy method that can cause TMG to crash will help the developers fix TMG so that when it does have an error it does not actually crash.

I now can reliably reproduce my report error simply using the

standard Sample database and a simple filter. I am posting

this to both the TMG-L list and the Forum.

 

In the Sample database, select to generate a List of Tasks.

The subjects of the report should be a filtered group

where the filter is defined as:

Linked Event... Any Other Witness ID... = Equals [?] END

Select to Print to: File with File type: Rich Text Format (RTF)

and choose some file name.

 

Now select Print & Save, and when prompted enter the ID of 2

(which in the Sample database is Mary Catherine KEEBLER)

 

When printed to screen or to an MS Word format, this produces

the report with the single task that fits this filter.

When printed to RTF, for me it reliably aborts TMG with

"Variable 'nn' is not found" and the number nn seems to vary.

I have seen both 68 and 84.

 

All actions at this point are fruitless. You must use Task

Manager to end the TMG.exe process. The string of error

messages now include the infamous "unknown member ROTOOLBARMAN"

among others reported. The last entry in Error.txt contains:

2005.12.31, 12:15:18 1923Object GOREP is not found.

4 FRMRDS_TASKS.DESTROY

 

I hope the testers find they can reproduce this so that the

developers have something reliable to work from. If not,

then there must be something wrong with my installation of TMG.

I would like to also search "memo's" for a fact that I would have entered.  There MUST BE A WAY!!  <_>

 

Toni

 

I am aware of two ways that I use to "globally" search for various items in my database: the Project Explorer and its filter capability, and filters on various reports.

 

For your searching of memos, I would do a List of Events report with a filter. I would probably limit my search to certain tag types and use something like:

Tag Type Group is Birth AND

Memo contains gobbledegook END

 

Hope this helps

Why use RTF for TMG Report generation? [because...] ...

 

For this thread I tried both RTF and Word output just to test more than one output to see if that was the cause of this small bug. However, I agree with you on your comments supporting using RTF. I choose to output my final reports in RTF as I then import them to FrameMaker for final formatting, which is the software I much prefer as a full-featured and robust document creation tool.

Michael-

That's way too much for my attention span, but in experimenting with Journal Reports exported in *.RTF format, it appeared that footnote erors in the Sample project could be triggered by a change in citation Style. That is, citations of a style that contained italics - including the Bible one -could trigger errors in OpenOffice.org Writer footnote fonts, while non-italicized text in citations caused no obvious errors.

 

When the same Sample Journal file was opened in MSWord from from *.RTF report export, it appeared that all footnotes might be superscripted. I assumed this to be an error. Do you also see superscripted footnote numbers in Word?

John

 

John,

Thanks for looking in to this obscure situation. As Jim has noted, there is a small and obscure bug, but I can choose options that work around it.

 

Yes, I do see superscripted footnote numbers in Word. I have not experimented with whether having italics makes a difference. Do you mean using the [iTAL:][:ITAL] code in TMG in the citation or source data might make a difference? I will have to experiment with this when I am off for the holidays.

 

Michael

Michael,

 

You made a critical omission when you set up your test.

 

When you set up source #1, you need to tick the ibid selection 'ON - Requires same source and [CD]' on the Output form tab.

 

There is a bug and a design omission.

 

The bug is combining source endnotes/footnotes (with combine selected) with exhibit output to endnotes. This causes a recursion issue where report output is prematurely terminated and an endnote/footnote contains citations to itself.

 

Issues like whether the exhibits endnote section should have a title when standing alone is a design issue, not a bug.

 

Jim

 

Jim,

Thaks very much for checking this. I had forgotton about that ibid selection being part of the source itself. I had fallen into the trap that the report defined all of the aspects of ibid. Obviously being able to make that selection per source is valuable. I will need to put that reminder in big bold text in my personal document on constructing reports.

 

As for the actual bug found, thanks for verifying that it is not something wrong with just me and my dataset. It is such an obscure bug that (as my tests showed) I can

choose some settings as a workaround that will give me close to the report I want.

 

And I agree that the design issue is just that, a design choice. Again, as long as I know that it is there by design, I can easily cut and paste the Word report and get what I prefer.

 

And, once more, you have been extremely helpful to the TMG users. Thanks.

 

Michael

I first reported these in TMG 6.04 but since then there are THREE

new updates to fix bugs (THANKS, Bob, we all appreciate the hard

work to produce these fixes!). However, my bugs with problems

with Citation Memos and Exhibit text (two different bugs?) in the

Individual Narrative report are still manifest in Version 6.07.

I am posting this to both the Forum and the TMGL mailing list.

 

As a comment to a recent posting, I am very pleased with the

stability and status of v6.07, and these bugs are very obscure.

As an aid to finding and fixing such obscure bugs, I have

identified small changes that can be made to the standard

TMG SAMPLE project that will reproduce these bugs.

 

Bug one. Under some cases two citations are printed as Ibid

without printing the Citation Memos even though the Citation Memos

are specified to print and (only) the Citation Memos differ

between the two citations. In some cases when "Combine

consecutive footnotes/endnotes" on the Source tab for the Report

Options is selected, the entire Full Footnote with memo is

duplicated inside the same combinded citation.

 

Bug two. When an Exhibit of internal text exists for an event tag,

and event exhibits are selected to print as endnotes, and "Combine

consecutive footnotes/endnotes" on the Source tab for the Report

Options is selected, either the rest of the Narrative from that

point is printed as part of the footnote/endnote for the event

Exhibit text, or construction of the entire Report file aborts.

Even if the file is produced, Word will abort with mouseover the

citation. In some cases the Exhibit (and the event citation)

prints with the footnote for the event memo even though both

are specified to be endnotes (this last may be by design, although

I believe a Sources option should not change where the Exhibit

has been specified to print).

 

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To reproduce these bugs starting with the TMG SAMPLE project:

Copy SAMPLE project to separate folder so you can safely make changes.

Open project to the default person: Annie Eliza Alexander.

 

Open the Master Source List and open source #1 "Alexander/Keebler Bible"

and select the Output Form tag, noting that both Full and Short Footnote

are overwritten already. Add "<.><.>" (without the quotes)

after [M1] in the Full and before the final period in the Short

footnote.

 

Double click on the primary Name tag and add a citation detail to

source #1 of "Citation detail" and a citation memo of "Name memo".

Double click on Father tag and add the same citation detail to source #1

of "Citation detail" but a citation memo of "Father memo".

Double click on Mother tag and add the same citation detail to

source #1 of "Citation detail" and a citation memo of "Mother memo".

Double click on the primary Birth tag and add the same citation detail

to source #1 of "Citation detail" and a citation memo of "Birth memo".

Double click on the primary Marriage tag and add an internal text

exhibit to this event tag with text of "Marriage exhibit text"

 

Add a new default Associatn tag, but change the sentence for Principal

to add "" (without the quotes) after "associated", give it

a date of 1880. Add person #1 and person #2 as witnesses. Add a

citation of source #6 with citation detail of "census detail" and

citation memo of "census memo" and put surety of 2 for both 1&2.

Add an internal text exhibit to this event tag with text of

"Census exhibit text".

 

Add a new default Anecdote tag, with memo "Anecdote memo", no citation,

date of 1890, and add an internal text exhibit to this event tag with

text of "Anecdote exhibit text"

 

Select report for Individual Narrative.

Leave Subject set to this one person.

Set Print to: a File of type RTF, and choose a file name.

For Options, leave all as default, except:

Memos not included in the sentence are Footnotes selecting name,

relationship or witnessed. Exhibits are endnotes selecting internal,

external, copy, reference, center, with caption, and event, with

primary image. Publication Tools Bibliography selected but not

Table of Contents.

 

For source options, always have the following options set for all the

variations tried below: do not supress CD, do not show surety, do not

show excluded citations, include Name source, include Relationship

sources.

 

Now try all the variations on the source options remaining:

Bug-Endnotes, but not unique, do not disable ibid, do not combine:

Citation memo for Name and Birth print,

but Mother and Father are Ibid with citation detail but no memo

(I believe the differing memos should either print or prevent Ibid)

Exhibits are separate endnotes embedded with the citations

Good-Endnotes, but not unique, disable ibid, do not combine:

All memos print

Exhibits are separate endnotes embedded with the citations

Good-Endnotes, unique, disable ibid, do not combine:

All memos print

Exhibits are endnotes, separate and following the citations

Good-Endnotes, unique, do not disable ibid, do not combine:

All memos print, and Mother and Father are not ibid, (but?) are Full

(I assume that unique recognizes the differing memos and prevents

ibid, but it also prevents short footnote?)

Exhibits are endnotes, separate and following the citations

Bug-Endnotes, but not unique, combine:

All memos print in the combined endnote citation

and the Source Supplement M1 memo prints only once in this citation

The Associatn exhibit text is combined with the census citation

endnote but should? be printing as an endnote

The rest of the Narration paragraph appears in this Endnote following

the text "[:MEMO] with the subsequent endnotes embedded in this one

endnote. The "mouseover" of the superscript in the Narrative text

shows that the citation and all the remaining Narrative text is

considered this endnote

[when the file is output to "Word for Windows 2000 or later" this

mouseover produces a fatal error in Word]

[alternative test: remove the Associatn exhibit.

The citation to the marriage is appended to the Marriage tag memo

as part of its footnote as is its Exhibit text, where both should?

be endnotes. This may be by design and my misunderstanding.

Remaining exhibit is separate endnote embedded with the citations]

Bug-Endnotes, unique, combine:

Conversion error # 13: Source file discrepancy.

A file is created but is Zero length

[alternative test: remove the Associatn exhibit.

Source #1 Supplement M1 memo prints three times!! in its

combined citation.

The citation to the marriage is appended to the Marriage tag memo

as part of its footnote as is its Exhibit text, where both should?

be endnotes. This may be by design and my misunderstanding.

Remaining exhibit is separate endnote embedded with the citations]

 

Bug-Footnotes, do not disable ibid, do not combine:

Citation memo for Name and Birth print,

but Mother and Father are Ibid with citation detail but no memo

(I believe the differing memos should either print or prevent ibid)

The exhibits print after the Bibliography, but have no separating

Endnotes title heading, which I believe should exist

Bug-Footnotes, disable ibid, do not combine:

All memos print

The exhibits print after the Bibliography,but have no separating

Endnotes title heading, which I believe should exist

Bug-Footnotes, combine:

All memos print in the combined footnote citation

and the Source Supplement M1 memo prints only once in this citation

The Associatn exhibit text is combined with the census citation

footnote but should? be printing as an endnote

The rest of the Narration paragraph appears in the Endnote following

the text "[:MEMO] with the subsequent endnotes embedded in this one

endnote. The "mouseover" of the superscript in the Narrative text

shows that the citation and all the remaining Narrative text is

considered this endnote

[when the file is output to "Word for Windows 2000 or later" this

mouseover produces a fatal error in Word]

[alternative test: remove the Associatn exhibit.

The Exhibit text prints as part of the Marriage citation footnote,

where it should? be an endnote.

The remaining exhibit prints after the Bibliography, but has no

separating Endnotes title heading, which I believe should exist]

Possible this is two different bugs, one concerning internal text

exhibits, and one concerning the Mother relationship source.

Can anyone else reproduce these errors? They are reliably reproducible for me. I did not find anything in the Forum or on this list that seemed to be a similar bug report.

 

Summary

Individual Narrative report options gives different results for a source cited for the Mother relationship. Citation Memo for Father always prints, but Citation Memo for Mother sometimes does not print even though the source (and source template) is the same for Mother and Father. Some source options produce other errors associated with an internal text exhibit, including inability to produce the report.

 

Details

I am using Version 6.04 Gold on W2K, and have run VFI, reindex, optimize, and even restarted multiple times just to be sure.

I have a source which I have cited while in the child Person View for both the primary Father and Mother relationship. The source and citation details are identical for Mother and Father, but the citation memos are different. The source template output format has "<.>." at the end of both the Full Footnote and Short Footnote, although the rest of the formats differ.

 

I now print an Individual Narrative with various options for the sources. The following options are fixed for all cases. The IN subject is the Current Focus Person, and prints to File (similar results shown below whether using RTF or Word for Windows 2000 or later). General option is no threshold, include blank surety. Memos not included in the sentence are Footnotes not selecting name, relationship or witnessed. Exhibits are endnotes selecting internal, external, copy, reference, center, with caption, and event, with primary image. Publication Tools Bibliography selected but not Table of Contents. Selected tags, but including all possible name tags. Do not show either excluded or sensitive data.

 

For source options, I always have the following options set for all the variations tried below: do not supress CD, do not show surety, do not show excluded citations, include Name source, include Relationship sources.

 

Tried the following variations on the remaining source options with the following mixed results. No changes of any kind to the database or other options between printing each of these variations.

 

First with output to RTF:

Endnotes, but not unique, disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM prints

Endnotes, unique, disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM prints

Endnotes, but not unique, do not disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM not print

Endnotes, unique, do not disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM prints

Endnotes, but not unique, combine: Mother CM prints, but second half of the paragraph prints as part of an exhibit in the endnote following the text "[:MEMO]" which must be produced by the report writer since it is neither in the exhibit nor in my sentences.

Endnotes, unique, combine: Conversion error # 13: Source file discrepancy. Zero length file created

 

Footnotes, disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM prints

Footnotes, do not disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM not print

Footnotes, combine: Mother CM prints, but second half of the paragraph prints as part of an exhibit in a footnote (NOT an endnote) following the text "[:MEMO]" which must be produced by the report writer since it is neither in the exhibit nor in my sentences.

 

Now with output to Word for Windows 2000 or later:

Endnotes, but not unique, disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM prints

Endnotes, unique, disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM prints

Endnotes, but not unique, do not disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM not print

Endnotes, unique, do not disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM prints

Endnotes, but not unique, combine: Mother CM exists in the balloon of the the combined Father/Mother footnote, but second half of the paragraph does not print following the footnote superscript for which is similar to the above combining with the exhibit. When mouse over the superscript for the last displayed footnote to see the baloon, WinWord produces a fatal error and exits.

Endnotes, unique, combine: Conversion error # 13: Source file discrepancy. Zero length file created.

 

Footnotes, disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM prints

Footnotes, do not disable ibid, do not combine: Mother CM not print

Footnotes, combine: Mother CM exists in the balloon of the the combined Father/Mother footnote, but second half of the paragraph does not print following the footnote superscript for which is similar to the above combining with the exhibit. When mouse over the superscript for the last displayed footnote to see the baloon, WinWord produces a fatal error and exits.