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  1. When listing authors in the Author element of a source template, I understand that putting author names as "LastName, GivenName", with semicolons separating multiple authors, will give the standard outputs for full footnote ("GivenName LastName"), short footnote ("LastName"), and bibliography ("LastName, GivenName" for the first author and "GivenName LastName" for the rest). However, this output runs into a problem when an author name contains "Jr", "Sr", "III", or the like. The desired output for a sole or first author would be "GivenName LastName Jr" for the full footnote and "LastName, GivenName, Jr" for the bibliography. However, in TMG, if I enter "LastName, GivenName, Jr", the bibliography output is correct, but the full footnote comes out as "LastName, Jr GivenName". If I enter "LastName, Jr, GivenName", the full footnote output is "Jr, LastName GivenName", and the bibliography output is "LastName, Jr, GivenName". Is there any way of entering such an author name that will make TMG give the correct output, or is it just one of those cases where I'll just have to locally override the output? Thanks in advance for any help available. Vance Hamilton
  2. Hi, Jim, Michael, and Terry-- I really appreciate getting such quick replies from three TMG experts! After reading the replies, I think I may not have expressed my problem clearly. I do indeed enter multiple authors' names in the prescribed format (Lastname1, Firstname1; Lastname2, Firstname2; Lastname3, Firstname3). In the bibliography output after entering them this way, it's quite OK with me that the first author's name is inverted while the additional authors' names are in normal order; I know that's how bibliography entries (as opposed to note entries) are supposed to look and how TMG name elements are supposed to work in sources. My (admittedly pretty picky) issue is just one of punctuation: I want to have a comma come before the "and" that precedes the last author's (normal-order) name in a multi-authored bibliography citation, but TMG doesn't put a comma there. Jim: In Evidence!, Mills is actually inconsistent in this particular matter of punctuation. In two of her sample bibliographic entries that have multiple authors (page 67, first entry, and page 68, first entry) she places a comma before the "and" (e.g., "Szucs, Loretto Dennis, and Sandra Hargreaves Luebking") -- which is the way that I'd prefer it. However, in her own actual bibliography (pages 108–110) she omits the comma before the "and" in all multi-authored works. In Evidence Explained she explicitly recommends (pages 669–670) putting a comma before "and" when there are only two authors, but using semicolons between authors' names (and before the final "and") when there are three or more authors. (I've never seen semicolons used this way in a bibliography, though it does seem logical.) Michael: Although I appreciate the suggestion, I don't think using a source element group not reserved for names would be a practical solution. If I did that, it looks to me that I'd have to use one element for the names in the note format and a different one for the names in the bibliography format. Terry: I guess the bottom line is that TMG's punctuation default for multiple authors in bibliography output can't be modified, and I'll have to go with your idea of just inserting the comma manually in each of my multi-author bibliography citation outputs. Oh well, I did say it was a pretty picky point.... Many thanks again to all of you for your your help. Vance
  3. I'm using TMG 7. When I enter two names in the Author (or equivalent source element) field of an individual source, using commas and semicolons for separation as the help file indicates, no comma occurs after the first author's first name in the bibliography citation output of the source. For example, if I enter "Smith, John; Roe, Richard" as the author, the bibliography citation starts with "Smith, John and Richard Roe". I'd like to have a comma between "John" and "and" in the example. (I think this is the usual punctuation in style guides that I've consulted, including Mills and the Chicago Manual.) Similarly, when I enter more than two names, such as "Smith, John; Roe, Richard; James, Jesse", what comes out in the bibliography citation is "Smith, John, Richard Roe and Jesse James" (i.e., no comma before the final "and"). Again, I'd like to have a comma before "and". (In the case of series with three or more items, I know that some folks prefer to have a comma before the final "and" while others prefer to omit it. I'm firmly in the first camp.) Is there a way in TMG to get the comma where I want it? Thanks for any available assistance. Vance Hamilton
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