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GEDCOM PAGE Certainty QUAY Citations for notes

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#21 beetle3247

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 08:05 AM

Thanks for us that use TMG but haven't delved into its inner workings.



#22 TomH

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:07 PM

Embedded citations don't export. 

 

This is the Marriage Tag Memo:

ceremony performed by Rev. D. B. Cooper.[CIT:]1:3;this is a citation detail;this is citation memo[:CIT] Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party.

This is the narrative:

...on 29 Sep 1863 at Brookfield, Linn County, Missouri; ceremony performed by Rev. D. B. Cooper. (Family data, Alexander/Keebler Family Bible, Holy Bible (New York: American Bible Society, 1854); original owned in 2000 by Lissa Soergel, (504 North Quaker Lane, Alexandria, Virginia 22304-1827).  The Frank Alexander Family Bible passed from Frank to his daughter, Carrie (Alexander) Barns; to her nephew, Allen Long; to his cousin, Lissa Soergel (great-grandaughter of Frank Alexander).)  Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party.vi,vii  

The embedded citation can be seen between the blue blocks of text that came from the Memo.

 

Here is the GEDCOM:

1 MARR
2 DATE 29 SEP 1863
2 PLAC Brookfield, Linn County, Missouri
2 NOTE ceremony performed by Rev. D. B. Cooper. Now is the time for all good me
3 CONC n to come to the aid of the party.
2 SOUR @S2@
3 QUAY 2
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Uncle Sam & Aunt Bell married Sept. 1863.
3 QUAY 2

Source #1 was cited; it's not listed as a source nor is it expanded by TMG to be exported in the NOTE.

 

Suggests that users wishing to migrate should make sure that embedded citations are also normal citations.



#23 Jim Byram

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:40 PM

Embedded citations don't export

That's true. Embedded citations are just text and do not link to records in the citation table.

 

The structure of the embedded 'citation' is used to create footnotes or endnotes in reports during report generation. They might not even involve a source and could be just be a comment.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 05:56 PM

Embedded citations don't export

That's true. Embedded citations are just text and do not link to records in the citation table.
I understand that the citation is not in a table but the master source it cites (#1 in this case) is in a source table. I don't understand why the phrases between the code tags are not part of the resulting parenthetical note in the narrative output but that is beside the point which is that the source description is retrieved from that table. I'm not surprised that there is no citation SOUR tag exported for an embedded citation but what does seem reasonable to expect is that the parenthetical citation as it appears in the narrative should also appear in the exported NOTE.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 06:17 PM

I found some previous discussion about the failure to export anything from embedded citations and a suggested alternative:

John,

Two points:

1. Are you sure that the rest of your data is being exported? Do you have people entered as witnesses, say in census, will, or residence tags? Do you have two- person tags, especially for people who are not married to each other? Have you used Sentence or Roles to convey information? Do you use split memos or split citation details? If the answer to any of these is yes, the embedded citations may be the least of your worries, and perhaps you should explore other ways of sharing your data.

2. You can solve the issue of embedded citations by breaking the text into separate tags, ending each tag where you want the citation to appear. Then use conventional rather than embedded citations, and order the tags with sort dates.







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