Multiple Links to a Single Exhibit

[daniel_james_gullo 0]

I would like to include group pictures in TMG with multiple links to the folks in the picture. E.g. I use "Insert new image > Select existing file" to import a picture of my brother John, our father Joe, and myself for my record. How do I then reference this exhibit from John and Joe's records? The idea here is not to have multiple copies of the same exhibits.

[jeffpiper 0]

I would like to include group pictures in TMG with multiple links to the folks in the picture. E.g. I use "Insert new image > Select existing file" to import a picture of my brother John, our father Joe, and myself for my record. How do I then reference this exhibit from John and Joe's records? The idea here is not to have multiple copies of the same exhibits.

Hi Daniel,

You would repeat the procedure "Insert new image > Select existing file" from John and Joe's records. You only have the one exhibit bu several links to it..

[daniel_james_gullo 0]

Hi Daniel,

You would repeat the procedure "Insert new image > Select existing file" from John and Joe's records. You only have the one exhibit bu several links to it..

 

I tried that. However, when you go to view ALL exhibits, it creates multiple copies of the same picture when you do that.

[MMj 0]

I tried that. However, when you go to view ALL exhibits, it creates multiple copies of the same picture when you do that.

 

I think you've hit upon the problem that some of the other TMG users and I have run up against, except in a relationship tag, rather than in an event tag. I haven't run into it in the same place that you have yet, because I haven't been adding group pictures to my database (yet). But what I have been doing is adding things like census and obituary and marriage announcement scans so that anyone who wants to can see where that information came from. Well, if I have a census tag where I have added a man and his wife as principals, and their children as witnesses, TMG will show the exhibit as an event for both principals, but it doesn't show up in the events for the witnesses. The exhibit shows up for the two principals with just one of the image showing up in the exhibits window. The only way that I can get it to show up for the witnesses is to go to the detail record for each of the five children and add it to them as an exhibit. But then the exhibit window gets clogged up with five more images of the same thing.

 

What I would love to see the gods and goddesses of TMG do is to modify the application so that the witnesses also show the exhibits to an event that they are hooked to. Even better would be a checkbox that would allow you to include the exhibit for the witnesses (or not) at your discretion.

 

Mike Daugherty

Frederick, Maryland

[RGC 0]

I would like to include group pictures in TMG with multiple links to the folks in the picture. E.g. I use "Insert new image > Select existing file" to import a picture of my brother John, our father Joe, and myself for my record. How do I then reference this exhibit from John and Joe's records? The idea here is not to have multiple copies of the same exhibits.

[RGC 0]

I would like to include group pictures in TMG with multiple links to the folks in the picture. E.g. I use "Insert new image > Select existing file" to import a picture of my brother John, our father Joe, and myself for my record. How do I then reference this exhibit from John and Joe's records? The idea here is not to have multiple copies of the same exhibits.

 

I took a non-TMG approach. I posted the picture separately and then pointed to it from the memo of the several people involved. The results can be seen at http://www.rgcle.com/stories/easter_group2003.htm which is the picture; mouse-over an click on any of the heads to go to the individuals to see the references. I used a witness tag for the references in the form:

 

HID:][sS:][:CR:][:CR:]She was among those attending a pre-Easter family gathering in 2003; see <A HREF="../stories/easter_group2003.htm"><IMG SRC="picicon.gif" BORDER=0 ALT="Easter"></A> for a picture of the attendees.[:SS][:HID]||[HID:][sS:][:CR:][:CR:]He was among those attending a pre-Easter family gathering in 2003; see <A HREF="../stories/easter_group2003.htm"><IMG SRC="picicon.gif" BORDER=0 ALT="Easter"></A> for a picture of the attendees.[:SS][:HID]

 

The form was arranged so that the references don't appear in a printed version of the data.

 

Dick

[daniel_james_gullo 0]

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Mike Daugherty

Frederick, Maryland

 

 

Indeed. I have been trying to simultaneously update my Genealogy information and scan about 150 years worth of photographs. I began developing a convoluted method of cataloguing the images that involved a bit for each person, arranged into groups of 5 so that a single base 32 character was capable of showing all combinations of the 5 bits. Then, the file name would consist of a series of base 32 characters, an approximate year, and a 4 digit serial number. However, I soon discovered that with 246 base 32 characters, I would only be able to represent 1230 people. (There would be a dash, then the year, another dash, then the serial number=256 characters max for a file name). You can also see that files with 256 character names would be a bit difficult to manage.

 

Thus, I thought I might be able to import them into TMG and simply tie the subjects of the photos to the photos themselves. It would be an easy way of browsing though, creating slideshows, etc. I guess that won't be an option.

[GenerationGoneBy 0]

I think you've hit upon the problem that some of the other TMG users and I have run up against, except in a relationship tag, rather than in an event tag. I haven't run into it in the same place that you have yet, because I haven't been adding group pictures to my database (yet). But what I have been doing is adding things like census and obituary and marriage announcement scans so that anyone who wants to can see where that information came from. Well, if I have a census tag where I have added a man and his wife as principals, and their children as witnesses, TMG will show the exhibit as an event for both principals, but it doesn't show up in the events for the witnesses. The exhibit shows up for the two principals with just one of the image showing up in the exhibits window. The only way that I can get it to show up for the witnesses is to go to the detail record for each of the five children and add it to them as an exhibit. But then the exhibit window gets clogged up with five more images of the same thing.

 

What I would love to see the gods and goddesses of TMG do is to modify the application so that the witnesses also show the exhibits to an event that they are hooked to. Even better would be a checkbox that would allow you to include the exhibit for the witnesses (or not) at your discretion.

 

Mike Daugherty

Frederick, Maryland

 

I am hoping a future version of TMG will do this as well. Exhibits and research tasks.

[zanemc 0]

I am hoping a future version of TMG will do this as well. Exhibits and research tasks.

 

Although new to TMG I have some 2000 old family photo's that I've stored , added capations & catologed ( by person /family & events) on a photo management programme from where I've able to produce quality slideshows etc.

 

The only photo I've linked to TMG are cropped photo's of each person , that can be included in reports .

 

I don't see the benefit of linking them to TMG if they can't be used in reporting , but I'd appreciate further comments on my approach

 

Regards

Zane

[daniel_james_gullo 0]

Although new to TMG I have some 2000 old family photo's that I've stored , added capations & catologed ( by person /family & events) on a photo management programme from where I've able to produce quality slideshows etc.

 

The only photo I've linked to TMG are cropped photo's of each person , that can be included in reports .

 

I don't see the benefit of linking them to TMG if they can't be used in reporting , but I'd appreciate further comments on my approach

 

Regards

Zane

 

What program are you using to catalogue your pictures? Does it allow you to identify all the subjects in the photo? Does it cross-reference subjects; E.g. can you search based on John Doe and see all photos containing John Doe? Does it store one actual copy of the photo and create multiple links to it?

 

I know TMG wasn't designed to be a photo-management program, however, as others have noted, the same issue exists with ALL exhibits. Namely, TMG stores multiple thumbnails of the same document. This occurs when you reference the same exhibit from multiple individuals. IMHO, there is a lot of benefit in being able to select an individual and see all the photos that have that person in them.

[Vince00 0]

I'm just getting into TMG and am now at the point where I scan and link them direct to the individual or continue my old method using Adobe Photoshop Album...

 

In Photoshop Album I have them all "Tagged" multiple times and you can drill down to a specific photo very easily in a number of different ways including tags or the date / time of the photo taken etc. I toss this out there if your very serious about tagging photos with something other than TMG.

 

Here is a example article I found which helped me when I started to tag / organzie my photos.

http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/imagemana.../myworkflow.htm

 

Just a thought in case it helps.

Vince

[zanemc 0]

I'm just getting into TMG and am now at the point where I scan and link them direct to the individual or continue my old method using Adobe Photoshop Album...

 

In Photoshop Album I have them all "Tagged" multiple times and you can drill down to a specific photo very easily in a number of different ways including tags or the date / time of the photo taken etc. I toss this out there if your very serious about tagging photos with something other than TMG.

 

Here is a example article I found which helped me when I started to tag / organzie my photos.

http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/imagemana.../myworkflow.htm

 

Just a thought in case it helps.

Vince

 

I use ACDSee Pro where a single photo's ( or chart , document ) which can be linked to many categories ( arranged in a tree structure) which can people , events , places etc + keywords ( using TMG ID #) , albums . So when I need to retrieve say all the Lambert family grave photo at Peak Hill I simply click on Lambert , Graves , Peak Hill & the photo are located which I then use in slideshow etc .

 

So I only store in TMG a photo of each person that I can use in TMG reports . e.g. groups , narrative & charts.

 

Since I'm new to TMG I'd appreciate some comments on the benefits of including all photo's etc in TMG ??

 

Zane

[John Cardinal 0]

FYI. If an exhibit is attached to an event, Second Site will include a link to the exhibit for all the principals and witnesses. You can also use image maps, where each person in the photograph is a link to his or her entry in the site.

[Shaundm 0]

I attach exhibits so that when an event, say a census record is shown on SS, people can view the original census record. I use it for certificates rather than just photo's

[jmcbeth 0]

FYI. If an exhibit is attached to an event, Second Site will include a link to the exhibit for all the principals and witnesses. You can also use image maps, where each person in the photograph is a link to his or her entry in the site.

 

Thanks for the suggestion John, I've tried linking a photo to an event and it seems to work well. I've prepared a new tag called "Event-Photo", with the following code for the principle and witnesses (it probably needs work, especially when I have to add a second principle, but just as an example)

 

Principle:

This photo of [P1] <with [WO]> was taken <[D]> <[L]>. [M]

Witness(es):

This photo of [P1] with [W] <, [WO]> was taken <[D]> <[L]>. [M]

 

One other thing - I tried to add a photo that I'd tagged with fototagger (http://fototagger.com) into my exhibits, however the tags don't show up. Any chance the next version of TMG could recognize Foto markup language?

 

Best Regards,

 

Joyce

[John Cardinal 0]

Joyce,

 

Second Site will attempt to read a caption from the image file if there is no caption defined in TMG. Second Site supports IPTC headers.

 

I looked at the FotoTagger site. Second Site does not support FotoTagger's FotoML format for image mapping/annotation. As far as I can tell, even though FotoML is an open standard, the only tool to support it is FotoTagger. Some websites (flickr, blogger) support FotoML, but I believe they do so using a PHP library supplied by FotoTagger/Cogitum that would be difficult to integrate with Second Site.

 

You can make image maps for images used in Second Site with the Exhibit Image Map feature in TMG Utility. This is similar to FotoTagger's annotations, but the text is not visible until/unless you position the mouse over a specific area of the image.

 

I'll consider adding support for FotoTagger, but in the spirit of full-disclosure, it's not a high priority for me right now.

[daniel_james_gullo 0]

Update:

 

I finally abandoned the idea of using TMG for cataloguing pictures as well as the genealogical links. It is a damn shame that it is not yet robust enough to handle exhibits in the manner that it should, i.e. with relational links rather than multple instances. As has been mentioned, there are other more robust tools for indexing, cataloguing, etc. I settled on Iview MediaPro which was recently acquired by Microsoft and is becoming Expression Media. It allows adding quite a bit of meta data to the media files which can include sounds, pictures, documents, etc. Problem with this program is that, even though it claims to allow scanning of images directly into the program, you have to use a third party scanning interface. It really is short-sighted for the program NOT to offer a built in TWAIN interface. Hopefully now that MS is involve, that will become a reality.