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#41 JohnR

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 06:14 AM

I am not familiar with the "convention of dashed or dotted lines in pedigrees" so please explain what you mean. Under what circumstances would SS produce dashed or dotted lines rather than solid lines?



In pedigrees where the line is dubious. In the specific area that I am working on there are direct ancestors to a certain point, say 1170 and then the probable line is to someone named in the Survey in 1087 who was the landholder. The convention of dashed lines was used by antiquarians to indicate that the pedigree can be proved to continue through the tenancy rather than by blood. The dotted line seems to have been used when they were on even shakier ground.

What I envisage in simple terms would be that all "graphical" lines running from a person with Flag type A would be ----- and all from Flag Type B ..........

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 06:24 AM

What I envisage in simple terms would be that all "graphical" lines running from a person with Flag type A would be ----- and all from Flag Type B ..........

Thanks for the explanation.

If I were to implement something—and this is not a promise or even an indication that I will—I would not use flags. I think it's more appropriate to use Surety values on the relationship tags to indicate which type of line should be used, given that Surety is intended to indicate confidence in an assertion.

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Posted 16 September 2007 - 01:16 PM

Thanks for the explanation.

If I were to implement something—and this is not a promise or even an indication that I will—I would not use flags. I think it's more appropriate to use Surety values on the relationship tags to indicate which type of line should be used, given that Surety is intended to indicate confidence in an assertion.


Should something like this happen then just possibly I might have to start using Surety values but then I am sure that there would be a TMG Tool to enter a global surety value of greater than the value that triggers dotted or dashed lines where the field is null :D

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Posted 16 September 2007 - 02:00 PM

Should something like this happen then just possibly I might have to start using Surety values but then I am sure that there would be a TMG Tool to enter a global surety value of greater than the value that triggers dotted or dashed lines where the field is null :D


John, another idea would allow attaching line type to different types of relationship tags, so natural gets solid lines, adopted gets a dotted line, maybe this tenancy could be given a dotted line.

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 10:01 AM

Will the new version have the ability to include .DOC files as an exhibit?

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 03:14 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but like others I saw no mention of updates to reporting.

To me, the database is not perfect, but I can do everything I need to.

Where TMG falls down flat for me is reporting.

Still no "all-in-one" tree (like FTM's that outputs to a single page PDF, great for emailing and browsing)

When will the desendant indented narrative report include spouses with their details (FTM even gives spouse's parents).

I'm afraid the only report I use from TMG is the descendant box chart (left to right), and that is for my wife's use.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 03:42 PM

I could see a use for that. I have a situation where the father and mother are one of two families. I also have father-oth and mother-oth relationship tags for the alternate parents listed. The paternal grandfather is the same, and the line merges again.

It would also be useful for questionable/unproven ancestors or marriages out at the fringes of the line.

Edited by retsof, 26 November 2007 - 03:51 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2007 - 08:32 AM

I think I've found a bug in 6.12. Backing up a file will cause the other info box to go away. I posted it in the favorite layout thread as my NON-FAVORITE layout. This is on page 4.
http://www.whollygen...x...=6384&st=60

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 12:26 PM

You are going to have to show a screen shot. I regularly back up my file and I have never seen the other info box go away. Gonna need more details.

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 03:35 PM

I am evaluating TMG and in particular its book options. My question is whether book options have changed in v7 - for example can books be output into a single file now instead of generating a series of multiple reports? It seems frustrating compared with say Family Tree Maker or Legacy in that respect despite the geater control it has. I would also like to be able to include small (one page) charts in the book but again this would appear to require generation of jpg files and manually inserting into final Word documents and accepting that the names on the chart will not be in the index.

Thanks for your patience with a TMG newbie.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 01:15 PM

Bob, I was just about to purchase the v.6.12 online, and saw this msg about a v.7 and the availability of getting the upgrade to v.7 if you purchase the v.6.12 after 17 Aug 2007......I presently do not have any version of TMG and was wondering how long I would have to wait, and should I wait, to get the v.7?????

I already have 6.12 and don't mind paying an update charge for new features. GO AHEAD AND GET 6.12 and run it on the XP computer. It will cover most or all of what you really need to know now. I'm still finding out things after messing with this for over a year. It might be worth holding off for V7 for any Vista computers.

He'll give you v7 upgrade free if within 90 days of purchase, and v7 should be out within a month or two. There is a lot of learning involved, but I find the program to be industrial strength and very intuitive for what I want to do.

also, I have two computers, one with windows xp and one with windows vista; I want to use the program on both computers, and I would like to know if I can enter info on one computer, make copies of the info on discs and back it up on the other computer with this program.

The backup is in the form of a compressed .SQZ file. One would merely have to copy the file to the other computer and RESTORE the data from the file. CAUTION. Anything already there will be lost, of course. Keep one computer primary and one secondary, or you will have to do the same thing in the OTHER direction, restoring the primary TMG project from the file copied from the secondary computer. The backup and restore run fairly quickly, so they are not a bottleneck. It's worth doing a backup now and then, in case things lock up, which can happen rarely. Any data entered or changed since the backup are lost after a restore.

I tried to call the tech support number in MD and was put on hold for so long that I hung up (long distance). you guys really need a 1-800 number for tech support.

A 1-800 number is merely a translate table at the phone company that forwards the in-state or US dialed number to their phone. If they are not around to answer it, it won't make any difference at all. Yes, they would pay for a 1-800 call, but they are trying to keep the cost down for your software. Support is answered free right here. I'd rather keep the questions in e-mail and let Bob V. keep working on version 7. (I found a bug myself posted in the favorite layout thread...and hope that it can be fixed.)

I am very pleased with support here in e-mail. Somebody usually gets back the same day if the e-mail comes during work hours, if it's a workday and they're not out for a conference or cruise or something. (Did you try to call too late in the eve?) For many things, others of us would like to see the problem and solutions for future reference and many of us would be able to fix it by e-mail on a weekend. We may get other ideas ourselves as to what people are doing with the product.

Edited by retsof, 06 December 2007 - 10:34 AM.


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Posted 28 November 2007 - 05:15 PM

Jim Byram has posted how to run TMG 6.12 under Vista and several users are already doing so. &.0 is supposed to be able to run under XP and Vista with no problems.

I agree with retsof, go ahead and get 6.12. Then when 7.0 comes out, you will get the free upgrade. I don't know of any issues of moving from an XP system to a Vista system, but I don't think there will be any. The issues with Vista are in setting up the software when you install it.

Also, if you feel you need an answer to a question quickly, try subscribing to TMG-L@rootsweb.com. To subscribe, first send an email to TMG-L-Request@rootsweb.com. Once you get the reply back, send your question to TMG-L@rootsweb.com. There are many very knowledgeable users there, and often an answer comes in minutes. If it's a question that you really need tech support for you will be referred there. If not, then someone will tell you how to fix your problem.

Retsof,

I still can't recreate your issue. Are you still seeing it after creating a new layout and saving it? It's definitely not there on your screen shot.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 07:48 PM

You are going to have to show a screen shot. I regularly back up my file and I have never seen the other info box go away. Gonna need more details.

It's over there in the favorite layout thread. The details window didn't change after backing it up in layout mode. The details window stayed at its original size in my layout, another clue. The children and sibling windows were replaced by flags and focus groups windows.

I'm trying some more things.

Details window expanded to 3/4 screen. (default size is about 5/8 screen width) Flags and Focus Groups windows reduced to 1/4 screen width.
Backup database.
Other info box is still there.

Leave details window at 3/4 screen.
Backup database.
Other info box is still there.

Expand details window to 7/8 screen width.
Backup database.
Other info box is still there.

Expand details window to full screen width.
Backup database.
Other info box is still there. Do I have to sneak up on a full screen view???
I had a filter turned on. I'll turn off the filter.

Details window is still full screen.
Backup database.
Other info box is still there. ???

The detail window had been moved around and layout items were previously there.

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Exit project. Start project with default standard layout.
close children and siblings window.
Make details window full screen.
Backup database.
When the backup complete button was visible, I could see the other info box.
After hitting the OK, the details window was regenerated AND THE OTHER INFO BOX IS MISSING.

This is a large project, and that full circle took most of the evening.

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late breaking news: (CNN says that all of the time.)

When moving some boxes around between layouts and backing up, I saw a transient error of the other info box being there, but empty. Another time, I saw a flag box there, but empty. Closing the flag box and accessing it again from the window tab fixed it. Some of these things look like windows rendering errors, as they are random and cannot be duplicated.

Edited by retsof, 29 November 2007 - 06:13 AM.


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Posted 29 November 2007 - 05:03 PM

Are you running XP or Vista? I am wondering if this could be a Vista issue.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 03:52 AM

Are you running XP or Vista? I am wondering if this could be a Vista issue.

Screen shot is in the Favorite View Thread and it's Windows XP, not Vista.

VERSION 7 TINY CHANGE REQUEST.

When ready for a merge of individuals, it asks whether I am sure and asks yes or no. It sends a beep and starts the merge.

When the merge is done, could you send me another beep?

Individuals with a lot of tags, like William the Conqueror, can take a few minutes to merge, enough time to go to another computer on the KVM switch and do something else, like surfing the internet or answering a message like this.

I have noticed the same issue after a dataset merge and it asks whether it is OK to optimize the file. If OK, the optimization is done quietly.

Edited by retsof, 01 December 2007 - 03:54 AM.


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Posted 02 December 2007 - 08:55 AM

Bob, I was just about to purchase the v.6.12 online, and saw this msg about a v.7 and the availability of getting the upgrade to v.7 if you purchase the v.6.12 after 17 Aug 2007......I presently do not have any version of TMG and was wondering how long I would have to wait, and should I wait, to get the v.7?????
also, I have two computers, one with windows xp and one with windows vista; I want to use the program on both computers, and I would like to know if I can enter info on one computer, make copies of the info on discs and back it up on the other computer with this program.
I tried to call the tech support number in MD and was put on hold for so long that I hung up (long distance). you guys really need a 1-800 number for tech support.
thanks, Bev


I have two networked PCs with TMG installed on each. PC #1, also has my TMG databases. Make sure that folder is in a shared network folder. PC #2 accesses that database and I do make changes to the file which is resident on PC#1. My default backup folder is on a second drive on PC#1, but there isn't any reason why I couldn't put it on any network shared space. Both PCs are running XP.

IMO, there isn't any reason for you to wait for version 6. As I understand it, the interface is quite similar and you might as well get going with it now.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 09:29 AM

For vers. 7 did anyone notice if there was a butterfly chart?

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 12:50 PM

For vers. 7 did anyone notice if there was a butterfly chart?

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Jim -

I do not see that on Bob's list of enhancements for v7. Something similar (and actually an improvement on the standard butterfly chart) can be done in the VCF now, however. See Robin's instructions in the thread at

http://www.whollygen...mp;hl=butterfly

and for variations in the form of pedigree booklets, see the thread at

http://www.whollygen...?showtopic=5991

If you want to read all messages in the VCF forum, click on Show All at the bottom of the page to display older messages.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 01:10 PM

Being able to suggest future changes is really a healthy thing for TMG software.
With Version 7 coming out in the near future it is probably to late to make changes now, so I hope the same topic or theme will be set up for version 8.
What we the users have to remember is that changes costs programing time which the owners of the software have to justify if the investment is worth their efforts.
As evidenced by the theme that allowed everone to show how they set up their window indicates, there are probably as many things that each of us use that we each think are very important but other users might not think as important and most important as stated above the owners might think more expensive than they would get for their invenstment of programing time.

This long list of desires for version 7 is great but may I suggest the owners of TMG come up with a questionare that each of us in the community could rank possible areas of improvements in order of importance we would most like to see.

An area thst I personally would like to see improvements in would be "Book Management" but someone else might want more or better internet research oportunities. I would think the Wholly Genes company would want this see this possible broad range of what is important to their users and such a survey if well written sould provide such insite and guidance as to what the majority of users think most important.

All the people who have used other software and switched to TMG have good ideas where TMG could be improved because they have seen strengths of other software that TMG could be improved with.

Don't get me wrong, I love the strengths that TMG has right now but nothing is perfect and the day anyone starts thinking they have what is perfect and they don't have to listen to users and make improvements someone else will come along with a better mouse trap.

Remember the Edsel was a result of a survey. The problem was not that it was a survey but the people they surveyed were the one's at home during work hours and not the one's who actually bought and drove the family autos. Long time users might not know what the competition is offering out there.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 04:57 PM

Jim -

I do not see that on Bob's list of enhancements for v7. Something similar (and actually an improvement on the standard butterfly chart) can be done in the VCF now, however. See Robin's instructions in the thread at

http://www.whollygen...mp;hl=butterfly

and for variations in the form of pedigree booklets, see the thread at

http://www.whollygen...?showtopic=5991

If you want to read all messages in the VCF forum, click on Show All at the bottom of the page to display older messages.

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Thanks. I've been manually generating a butterfly [or bowtie] chart myself. Did one this am in fact. Which is what prompted me to ask the question about v7. It's not difficult to do, just a boring exercise. While everyone has their own preferences, I think that chart is the most efficient way to show ancestors, so it would be nice to generate it automatically. I used to yearn for an all-in-one chart ... but when my database got to be "thousands" in didn't seem that important any more.

Jim




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