Peter Tarkkonen

You might try deleting the CDX files for the project and try to open it again.

 

If one of the database files are damaged, your only options are to revert to the backup or ask Support if they can repair your database.

Jim,

did this but did not help. Same error messages and project does not open.

Anything else I could try?

Peter

While adding people with copy person feature, PC crashed.

When I tried to start TMG again, it did not start at all but I got error message "Alias "FILE_N" is not found".

From error message there was help available, and it was instructed to edit desk top icon. (ie. start + file)

Got TMG running, but cant open my project, however sample project will start.

I keep geting error message above plus many others.

Backup file is from last night, but did quite a bit work today.

Anything I could try?

Peter

That site uses an open source mapping facility called "OpenLayers". I think that software uses a different map projection and the coordinates are based on meters, not lat/long. The implementation of OpenLayers on http://www.karjalankartat.fi may allow for lat/long coordinates, but I couldn't tell from what I looked at. You should ask them about it if you have some way to contact them.

 

Without lat/long, you'll have hard time using the karjalankartat.fi site with Second Site. It might work, but you'll have to experiment.

John,

I will test on SS too. Have some questions so will use SS Community for those.

I wish TMG people would answer aswell. My final destination is to make SS to work, but I need to test entered data in TMG, so it would be great to make it work there too

Peter

Peter,

 

What format are the parameters? It looks like it might be degrees-minutes-seconds concatenated together without delimiters.

 

What web site are you using? Are you sure they don't have a URL format where you can pass decimal degrees?

John,

this site does not have too much documentation.

They have URL generator and it gives format like this:

http://www.karjalankartat.fi/?language=en&...mp;text=Rantala

If this will work with TMG, I will try to make it work with SecondSite too. I tried to enter this URL to place comment-field and then open it thru SecondSite. It opens map frame but not real map. Did not investigate futher.

Peter

PS. It is quite new govermental site with old maps from 1939. Area which was taken from Finland by Russians after war. All these maps were banned until 1990´s.

I want to use one Internet map service available.

Lat/long coding which is used, is not the same what is used with Google maps. So I need to add soem other coordinates to place information.

I need to pass "E=6824946&N=4500938" to browser.

If I use one of the place fields like [Postal] as a variable, equalizers and "&" characters are extracted (as mentioned in instructions)

An other option is to split data to two fields

[postal] = 6824946

[phone] = 4500938

and then put them back together in "URL="-sentence

Instructions says: "The “Place Information” and “Place Mapping” features are available in TMG from screens which reflect place fields. Those place fields (and some others) can be referenced by name in the Condition= and URL= lines of the configuration file"

However, I tested [phone] as variable, but I does not seem to work, but [postal] works fine.

Is this correct? Ie. Can only [postal] be used, but not [phone]? Or is these some other ideas to be tried?

Peter

I still wait reply from TMG makes is it even possible to make HTML to work as told in Help. As I said I copied the sample from Help and Second Site made it as supposed but TMG not. And I dont know what I have done wrong or what should I test/change.

Peter

Hi Peter,

 

I can easily replicate your symptoms simply using the example in TMG Help and the Sample project. It is clear that TMG is converting the '<' and '>' and '=' symbols to the '<' etc. replacement text normally required to show those symbols as text in an HTML output. It should not do that inside the [html:] and [:HTML] codes, but clearly it does. As TMG Help, under the topic "HTML Embedded Codes" states:

 

"With the exception of these variables, all code that is bounded by "[html:]" and "[:HTML]" is output literally."

 

Unfortunately, that is not happening. I also verified that these symptoms have been reported to WhollyGenes as a bug, but since I am just a user like you I don't have any information when it may be fixed.

 

As Glenn noted, it does appear that the [WEB:] and [:WEB] codes work correctly for the Help example. For example,

[WEB:]http://www.abc.com;John Henry's Page[:WEB]

works correctly. Unfortunately, this does not solve your problem of wanting to put more significant HTML code (e.g. Javascript) in the report. As Glenn referenced, since the [WEB] codes will scan for a semicolon to split the text from the URL, any HTML or URL or text that contains a semicolon causes problems inside the [WEB] codes.

 

I have tried a variety of "workaround" tests and was unable to find anything to make this work. (I even found some that made it worse!) I fear that until this reported bug is fixed you may have to put something recognizable in your text (that does not include '<' or '>' or '=' symbols) which you can easily find and post process to become the HTML code (Javascript) you desire.

 

Sorry, but I think that is reality for the time being.

Michael,

thank you very much. This was not the good news, but more important, now I know where I stand. And dont waste my time making extra tests.

You really saved my time a lot (which I rather spend on studies than softwares )

For TMG people: There could be a list somethere with allready reported and identified "bugs". Maybe a comment if it will be fixed in next release and some kind of time estimed (if any).

This way one can decide if to build work around or wait fix.

This is an issue which software people are a bit ashamed, but I have never seen any software which does not have bugs. And I can only assume most genealogist are not too much for technology. If something goes wrong with software, most people assume they did something wrong. And spend a lot of time to trying to fix it.

Thank you all for help!

Peter

Final purpose it to embedd Javascript to several Journals (Google Analytics I need to check if anybody is reading my Journals) but first I wanted to try somethinh more simple).

So I will make a tag with javascript and add that tag to all start-persons of each Journal. That way I could check if those reports are read.

Interesting, I probably would have added the GA script manually after generating the pages, but if you have a lot to do embedding in a tag seems a way to get it done quickly and automatically if the process doesn't break the script.

Glenn,

tought that too but I have about 50 and lately have generated then several times a month.

I still wait reply from TMG makes is it even possible to make HTML to work as told in Help. As I said I copied the sample from Help and Second Site made it as supposed but TMG not.

And I dont know what I have done wrong or what should I test/change.

Peter

Have difficulties to embedd HTML code in Journal report

 

I HAVE:

Output selected to HTML

Tag Sentence: <[M1]>

Tag Memo: For more information on this line, see [html:]<A HREF="http://www.abc.com">John'>http://www.abc.com">John Henry's Page</A>[:HTML]

 

Print out: ......For more information on this line, see <A HREF="http://www.abc.com">John Henry's Page</A>......

 

 

Please, what am I missing here?

 

Peter

Additional to above. Made site with Second Site and output was correct ie. "For more information on this site, see John Henry's Page" where last three words is a link to www.abc.com

Peter, try with [WEB:]http://www.abc.com;John Henry's Page[:WEB]

 

See the post Web Link in Individual Narrative Not Working

 

See also the help topic Web URLs and Email

Glenn,

actually my sample was from TMG Help and I could not make even that work. So I tought that I have been doing something wrong. Still thinking so but just cant see myself what is wrong.

Final purpose it to embedd Javascript to several Journals (Google Analytics I need to check if anybody is reading my Journals) but first I wanted to try somethinh more simple).

So I will make a tag with javascript and add that tag to all start-persons of each Journal. That way I could check if those reports are read.

I use WEB-code quite succesfully in sources and citations, propably close to 1.000 instances.

Peter

Have difficulties to embedd HTML code in Journal report

I HAVE:

Output selected to HTML

Tag Sentence: <[M1]>

Tag Memo: For more information on this line, see [html:]<A HREF="http://www.abc.com">John'>http://www.abc.com">John Henry's Page</A>[:HTML]

Print out: ......For more information on this line, see <A HREF="http://www.abc.com">John Henry's Page</A>......

Please, what am I missing here?

Peter

But how about howering. Now howering show title, maybe it could show caption?

In what kind of document does hovering over the image show the topic?

Journal HTML

Example http://www.tarkkonen.com/sukutaulut/halose...set0002.htm#t11

To rephrase what Paul said...

 

Event exhibits are printed as part of the event sentence as part of the flow of the narrative text. In that context, there is no place to place a caption (unless, for example, the caption followed the exhibit).

Makes very much sence.

But how about howering. Now howering show title, maybe it could show caption?

Peter

You've entered the caption text into the caption field for the image?

You've selected Center person images / With caption on the Exhibits tab in Preferences?

And you are outputting the Journal report to Word, Wordperfect, RTF or HTML?

 

As I recall, captions only print in the Journal Report for exhibits attached to individuals. Captions for exhibits do not print in the Journal Report. However, all captions are displayed in Second Site....

Paul,

thank you. Had the same feeling but just wanted to be sure.

If so, then have to ask "why not do they print?"

Peter

You've entered the caption text into the caption field for the image?

You've selected Center person images / With caption on the Exhibits tab in Preferences?

And you are outputting the Journal report to Word, Wordperfect, RTF or HTML?

Jim,

"three yeses".

Person images show caption text but events/tags not.

In person caption text is below exhibit and hovering show up title text.

In events/tags there is no caption text and hovering show up title text

Peter

When printing Journal, on events caption text does not show in an way.

When pic is hovered, only title text is shown.

Any help?

Peter

How about:

 

# of Divorce Group Tags = 0

 

as a filter?

Thank you Terry,

you make it sound so easy!

Peter

It is easy to filter tag with all kind of parameters, however how to filter if an individual who does not have certain tag?

It can be done partly thru Grouping, but I need to do it thru filters.

Example: All people who do not have divorce tag.

Peter

Hi Peter,

 

Like you, I cannot think of a way to do this directly within TMG. Looks like a good candidate for a "wish list" item.

 

The only idea that I came up with to help in manually setting the flag, one person at a time, was to produce a List of Events report with a filter of

Tag Type Group is Birth ANDDate Has Modifier END

I then created that LOE report as type Comma Separated Value with only the output columns of:

Date, Tag Type Label, Prin1 ID

Then I opened that report in a text editor and searched for exactly ' s ' (that is a lowercase s with a space both before and after). That will find the "Say" dates, and that report line gives you the ID number of the person. You can then jump to that person (using Ctrl-I or the GoTo button) and set their flag. Very tedious if you have a lot of them, but at least you can find them. If you don't have too many this may help.

Thank you MIke,

came to same conclusion.

My idea was to add an icon to SS3 site to give a "warning" that dates are not exact (additional to text ofcause) and also ask readers if they know more.

So I wanted to make a predefined list to explorer to once and a while check that flags are set correctly.

To the wish list, pls.

Peter

I would like to set a flag to all people who have "say" in their birth date.

So I need to find/filter them first but how? And only with "say" and not "circa" in date field.

At least it is possible to search/filter individuala who have "modifier" in date field.

Peter

An alternative method might be to have the Primary Name-Var with the Given Name entered as "[withheld]" (including the brackets). For me that would make the situation more clear. I would suggest also having a second Name-Var for your records with the actual Given Name entered as "{Walter}". Then if you chose print options to print sensitive data, you could have a report with that name. And later, when either the person dies or changes his mind to allow use of his name, you can simply change which Name-Var is Primary. Lots of different ways to handle this.

Mike,

thank you for great idea. Might work with me aswell.

Peter

PS. Love this site cause it is not only technical issues but also best practises:)))))))

Peter,

 

I agree with Terry that SS3 has more options with regard to living people. However, I did not implement a capability where the name of a living person can be suppressed but other information about him or her is shown. You can suppress other things, but the name is shown if you include or show the person at all. That limits what you can do with SS: according to what you wrote about the new law, you have to exclude everyone who has not given you explicit permission to include them. Furthermore, SS3 only has one set of controls for "Excluded, Living" people, so that means that you can't show anything for that group, even if some of the people you want to exclude have given you permission to show their names.

 

SS3 is still an improvement over SS2 in this area; in SS2, you'd have to suppress info about "Excluded, Deceased" people, too.

 

Of course, you can add a new Name-Var record for the person, and make it primary, where you enter the first name as "SON" or "DAUGHTER" or "LIVING" or whatever is required by the law.

John and Terry,

cant agree u more. With SS one can do quite a bit to solve this issue and same kind.

Anyway, I will keep families fully listed like

Children of John and Mary Smith:

Bill b. 1960

Jack b.1962

Son b.1964

Mary b. 1966

In which "Son" has denied to use his name. From genealogical point of view it will look full family. Just this one line does not just continue.

So far I have changed persons name to "Son Smith. This will work as long there will not be too many of them. Just does not look good.

And if I look to future. What can I do when "Son Smith" will have adult child, who wants to be listed. And his/hers father is "Son Smith". But thats an other story.

Peter

Peter,

 

At least as far as websites go, the newly released version 3 of Second Site offers what to me is better solution. It has two new features that let you:

 

1. In the list of children of a couple, display the names (and optionally, the lifespans) of non-living children, but omit the names of living children.

 

2. Add a note associated with that list to say anything you like about the children. In the case you mention, I've been playing with something like "Other children of Tom and Mary are still living."

 

You could, of course, make that note as specific as you like, for example including the number of excluded children.

 

There two features are the way I intend to to deal with the issue you raise next time I update my site.

Terry,

thx for advice. I need to upgrade to SS3.

However, it was not excactly I was looking for and I use also Journals so I still have those to solve.

This issue is raised quite heavily lately here in Finland. There is few law cases going on againts some people who made a book and there was no written permission from few people.

Our local Genealogy association with officials published last year "Best practises in pushlishing genealogy material".

For living people guidelines are quite clear:

- If person does not what info to be published, her/his name should be hidden like "man Smith, b.1955" or "Person wants not to publish his info".

- However, his data can be kept in TMG. Ofcause person has a right to check his data

This will keep families listed complitely but only some peoples name is "hidden"

This could be one of those new feautures in TMG. A flag (or whatever) which will cause name to be replaced in all outputs with certain text.

Peter

TMG and also SecondSite have great tools to control info about living people.

Delicate way is ofcause to hide all data of living people but close to that is to hide all other info but name. Both can be done by TMG ans SS. I have used the last way ie. hide all but name.

However, we have a new law here in Finland that just by sending an email, a person can ask also name to be removed from the net and journals.

Geneological point of view we do not need to delete individual, only just hide the name. Name can be like "SON, born 1965 etc. This way families will look complete even if one of children wants to hide his/hers name.

One solution would be just to replace persons name in TMG, however I dont see it as a nice solution.

Have you others solved this some way, so ideas please?

Peter

I meant: If in some fields, like memo, one right clicks, formating menu will be available. In citation detail field it does not happen.

Peter,

 

OK, I understand now. I don't think the missing context-menu commands should be interpreted to mean that the Place comment field doesn't support printer codes. The problem is, it is hard to test. TMG doesn't include the Place comment in any reports, as far as I know, except for a "List of Places" report, and the "List of..." reports don't format printer codes.

 

If I were you I'd go ahead and use the Place comments field and I'd use printer codes, too. If for some reason you ever have to remove the printer code--I don't think that will happen--it would be pretty easy to remove them with TMG Utility.

John,

thank u again.

Will start using.

Peter

Peter,

 

As far as I know there are no issues in TMG with using the Place comment field for comments about places. The Place comment field is a "memo" field in TMG and so you can use printer codes like [bOLD:] / [:BOLD]. You said you were putting links in the Place comment; for maximum compatibility with TMG you should probably use the [WEB:]url;text[:WEB] code for links. SS will convert those to HTML links for you, and I think TMG will, too, if you send TMG report output to an HTML file.

 

I don't know what you mean by "as a text field so format[t]ing would be easier."

Thank you John,

you just confirmed what I assumed. And yes, I use this url;text-format.

I meant: If in some fields, like memo, one right clicks, formating menu will be available. In citation detail field it does not happen.

Peter