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  1. 4 hours ago, BJHeard said:

    Jim Byram, will TMG 8.04 run on WIN10?  I too am finally being forced off of WIN7 and am moving over to WIN10.  Hey, at least I'm getting a new PC out of it.  (I guess that's good.)  If TMG8.04 won't run on WIN10 do I have any recourse, or will I lose all of my data?   SCARY THOUGHT!!!!!

    See my original post in this thread. <TMG v8.8 will run fine on the latest version of Windows 10> So yours will too as it is earlier. But I will let Jim answer.. This thread  is about changing from Win 7.


  2. On ‎23‎/‎09‎/‎2019 at 8:35 AM, Jim Byram said:

    Form-based reports output as .DOC files are incompatible with Word 2013 and later. These reports must be output as .RTF files to be used with Word.


    Thanks Jim


    Just one confirmation. Does this mean that  I will not have any descendants  vertical lines? I ran RTF reports but they still opened in Word 2010. They are in my output reports as RTF. I  don't believe it is possible to get vertical lines in charts in RTF. Is this correct. The fact that they are opening in Word 2010 is the only reason I am getting lines. I just need to be sure on this point. Otherwise  I will try and keep Word 2010 when I update. My tech will have to do this.


  3. Hi again Jim

    Thank you.

    I have been online and so many providers!. I will have to get back to you later just to check  if you don't mind. I have spoken to my tech and will need another computer so cleaning up all my old  files albeit I have an external hard drive, but also want another back up.

     I want the Microsoft Office Professional pack 2019. It works on windows 10. Now this is a different cup of tea because I do all descendant charts, and they download into Word 2019?  It is so cheap at the moment. If I don't have to  download I will try and get it now. Is this ok?

    I have another question on these charts and now my typesetter has come up with putting into pdf and he can make it smaller.  Too small I think. So I need help on this. I will put in another thread later and attach a sample as I don't think many people use this and a bit of a misunderstanding last time. You need a sample.

    Thanks for you help.

    I didn't see myself still writing in 2010 and still using TMG.

  4. 5 hours ago, Jim Byram said:

    TMG v8.8 will run fine on the latest version of Windows 10.

    There is only one build of TMG. The UK version of TMG is exactly the same as the US version. The UK version has some UK personalization added after TMG has been installed when the installed program is run for the first time.

    Hello Jim

    Just looked at the latest reviews of Windows 10. It sounds like they got rid of the problems and  it will be the last one on this type platform.

    They are releasing one new update next month and other updates includes Windows 10 Lite,   Has this been used for TMGW do you know?

    Many thanks.

  5. Hello Jim


    No I am asking about descendant indented chart , not box.  I can see more options when I put in indented cart but can't see anything about lines. I thought I could alter them.

    Perhaps it is something in Word I can do. But I am going to leave it to the typesetter. He has since told me to change margins and he will do the rest..

    Yes Virginia answered about lines. But that was  a long time ago.



  6. Hello

    I looked through the forum and found my post on descendants chart. this is different


    If I take my first ancestor and do a chart for my family for example it is too wide to fit into a book.

    It is not really important because my typesetter will change this. I am leaving it in Word. .

    I want to know how to change the  space between the lines. Now Virginia did an example but this chart is nothing like mine which has a line directly from each

    descendant. For example mine has 6 lines in the first page on and seven on page two and then it reduces. The next family member has one less. She mentioned changing the pixels

    but I cant see how I can do this in word.  I don't want and image.I want to reduce them just a bit. .If it is too hard I will leave it to my typesetter.


    Many thanks. I don't want to send the charts.

  7. Hello Jim


    Before I go any further. Yes, I have the welcome screen and can get into my programme. But my sample project and my projects are both empty.

    In order to even restore my back up I get a lot of messages as I have described. It is impossible for me to go any further. No my projects are in different folders.

    I will email you personally as cannot do what you have requested. When I click on projects the sample is empty and my two projects show as Project Family_PJC.. But I get a message that says "an error happened when opening the data tables". It gives my location as not found. However it is in that location in my documents under Master Genealogist then under projects my Samples is in a folder and one for UK as well and the rest are all files from one of my projects but no folder.

    I must see why this is happening first. There are too many things happening and each time it is something different.


    I will get back to you.



    PS I just want to explain that projects is the only function that works in my programme.. Yet in my documents I have all my logs, output files back ups etc.

  8. Hello Terry


    I looked at your article "The future for TMG users" and I have my exc file in a safe place and I used that (is this what you mean by install) and I still don't have any data or sample file. I did find some when I ran windows recover. Some files may be Microsoft but the main problem seems to be the repair I did, albeit why I had to do it meant there was a problem. There was no difference when I ran the exc file.

    I may have put the wrong files I found in recover into sample but they were sentences that I recognised


    Should I delete all my docs file from C drive and run again.


    There was a windows critical update on the same day I cleaned the computer.



  9. Lost data out of TMGW 8 after cleaning with windows ccleaner.


    I am in real strife,

    I have a back up, but the last TMGW disc I have is Version 7.


    I also did a "repair" in programmes and this has caused a problem


    1. Open tmgw and it shows box message "Repair mode activated". Close it and programme opens..

    2. No data showing in last or sample.

    3, Try and restore sqz. from c drive.

    Message Variable LATEMP not found. 44 FRMWIZRESTORE.WIZFRAMEI.PAGE1.CONT.INIT ( COULDNT GET ANY OF THE PASTE OPTIONS TO WORK. GRR) Abort that and another message..


    4. Get another message in repair mode stating that the sample not found sample\sample_ND.dbf

    4. Press ok and shuts TMGW.



    Alias not found 592 copydict.


    I gave up after this. Of course I cannot download from wholly genes.

    Can anyone help please?

  10. Descendant indented chart shows dots under 1st and 2nd generation vertical lines. Now I thought I knew that this was simply a hidden files problem and I was playing around with this on another programme.

    I just changed it over to show hidden files and it is still the same.
    I cant find it in my old answers I received years ago. I didn't think I would forget.
    Using Win 7 Gold edition V8

  11. Hello Terry


    Wow such a lot of information. Firstly I only use the words illegitimate broadly for the purpose of this query.. Sometimes the mother doesn't want the name of the father known even if they are married. I simply use it to say that no father has been given so therefore no marriage, partner spouse of whatever you want to call the parent is linked, and therefore not showing and this is why the programme shows no father. It is a generic word for the purpose of this trouble shooting.


    Lines are not a problem. I shouldn't have mentioned it in relation to the chart I sent. Just wanted to explain that this is not happening in my charts and it is not the gap I refer to in my current family problem..


    What you seem to be saying is what I am saying all along. I think if I have understood this correctly. My sample family was provided to show you that this is a normal chart as I have said all along. What you haven't seen is the chart that I am having trouble with. The rules for my other family are not applying to the new one.. I have all the dates so there is no sorting problem if I understand what you are saying. I think this is the best idea if I send it to you..


    I appreciate your input

    I will send it separately to you.


    Iris Wood


    Kind regards


  12. Thank you Michael.


    Terry asked some questions and my answer may make it clearer.


    Firstly you recreated a report that I am also seeing, so we are on the same page here. I understand all your other comments.

    I linked the children as you described. I rechecked several times but I will recheck it all again. So yes my main concern is this gap. Yes I understand spouse. I know when you link an illegitmate child it is a mother /child relationship so unknown spouse will show. Or if it is not ticked you get this gap. So what you are saying is that this is the chart you get when you have an unknown spouse and the mother marries. This is the chart I also got and you have never seen it printed any other way. Incidently sometimes the father will put in an ill. child but doesn't give the mothers name.


    What I am saying is that in 170,000 entries I have never seen this before.. However, so far I have just found children who are illegitimate but none where the mother married or entered into a relationship and had more children. Which is what we have been discussing. I just printed out a large family with unknown spouse entered and one with it greyed out. There seems to be a lot of them.

    I hope I can find another example in my reports. This will take time but it is important. It would be very unusual not to find an illegitimate child where the mother married later and this type of report shows.


    I am privately sending you a chart that I just found.The mother had an illegitimate child. He in turn married and he links to the mother as first child. She subsequently married and there were no children. For the purpose of the exercise I added a child and this child appears at the bottom of the chart with the marriage. This is how it has always been. So it looks like any other chart. Can the fact that the illegitimate child married may make the difference?


    Thank you for your time trying to solve the issue. you understand my problem perfectly. The chart I am sending you privately will make it clear. I will also change the names on this chart so it can be put on the forum for future reference.

    kind regards


  13. Hello Terry

    I cant replicate specific quotes and I cannot cut and paste.

    Point 2. The family I sent you which I resent as an attachment was done in version 8.It was compiled in version 4.

    Point 3. With all other versions and I am sure version 8. This is the first time I have seen this problem

    Point 3 Something is happening in version 8. Since I don't use it much these days I cannot say when thing have changed. Probably I have not had to put in an illegitimate child recently. But this is the first time I have seen this problem. I send out charts to check though and once again this is the first time I have seen this problem. The charts I sent out could have been done an altered with another version. I do not know.


    Lastly the report is different as the illegitimate child's details come before the child who was born after the mother married. As Michael said in the" new" charts an illegitimate child shows up at the end of the list of children with a gap where unknown spouse would be if I have greyed it out. It doesn't seem It is difficult to see where the child fits in. To be consistent with the current linking Michael replicated is the illegitimate child in this example would appear in the same way and it doesn't. This is the type of chart I have always seen. Providing you have the birth dates the first child is linked only to the mother but is still the first child. If the mother married her children are linked to the husband but the illegitimate child is still the first child. This is not happening now. (sending you this chart Michael)


    The chart I sent you was in version 8. This is the only programme I am using.

    I hope I have made this problem clear.


    Many thanks



    So what are you saying, All information entered from version 3, 4 and then 7 will give a different result than info entered into V8??.

    No, not at all. I'm saying that there is no guarantee that you can get the same exact result when creating a chart from TMG 8 or 9 as you got from an earlier version. It has nothing to do with which version entered the data.


    As my last paste to you shows I was getting proper charts but not now.

    Was when? With which version of TMG?


    If I get reports like I am getting now I find it is not acceptable and the workaround is not acceptable to the family and I will have to use another programme. However I feel sure that there is something in version 8 that changed recently . I feel that something other than the programme is the problem . Why hasn't it happened before?

    Before when? With TMG 8 or an earlier version?


    What about version 9?

    I expect it's the same as version 8. It's the same report engine, and I think that's what Michael used.


    I am going to end the chart to you via a word attachment. Why is it ok and new entries not?

    What is the chart you sent me? Is it made with TMG8? How is it different than what you are objecting to?



  15. Hi Terry



    Yes I can could have sent you an attachment but didn't know whether you could open it. However you can see it is not producing a chart like the one I had an issue with. I really do not understand. Something must be wrong.


    So what are you saying, All information entered from version 3, 4 and then 7 will give a different result than info entered into V8??.

    As my last paste to you shows I was getting proper charts but not now.

    If I get reports like I am getting now I find it is not acceptable and the workaround is not acceptable to the family and I will have to use another programme. However I feel sure that there is something in version 8 that changed recently . I feel that something other than the programme is the problem . Why hasn't it happened before?

    What about version 9?

    I am going to end the chart to you via a word attachment. Why is it ok and new entries not?


    Sorry but this is 30 years work and I cannot leave it like this just before I go to print. It is terribly upsetting..




  16. Hi Michael


    Just lost my post.


    I just wanted to say that I couldn't post the chart I made up as I couldn't use the cut and paste function and Terry asked me to send it to him. It is the same as the one you replicated. But I did find a old chart and you can clearly see it handles illegitimate children in the dame way as other people but without a husband attached. He cannot post it because it is a genuine family and I haven't heard from him. I can distinctly recall saying to people that the only way you can see that the mother is not married is by noticing there is no husband.


    So yes the chart you created is the way the programme is handling illegitimate children now, but it wasn't always the case. I am wondering if support programmes are no longer working such as java. I have had to download several new scripts in recent moths because they keep updating.


    So I was wondering if changing to V9 is possible. Will it solve the problem and can I actually purchase it.


    Just to be clear I had only just added this new family that started this question. I just do updates and corrections these days.So it is only new families that this is happening to I THINK. But no proof except the one chart I sent where I added a child to a marriage that occurred late to the mother who had the illegitimate child. This child now has a family of his own so he is sitting under the mother as it always was the case.



    kind regards


  17. Hello Michael


    Thank you for going to so much trouble to recreate. Yes this is what is happening.

    I hear what you are saying and even if I didn't have a marriage date for those that were married several times they would appear as husband 1 and child number 1 in a desc chart instead of last. I understand that.

    I have been looking through my current out put file trying to find someone with the same criteria. I could only find an illegitimate child but my research stops there and I don't know if the mother remarried so I cannot duplicate.


    I did find one example in my own family line whereby the chart came out correct. (this line was first done in version 4) But there was no children to a subsequent marriage so I added a child. and it is as it should be. The only difference is that the illegitimate child had married and had a family. Since I cannot cut and paste it here and it is a real family I will email have both charts to Terry as he suggested. Well he suggested one. So I am wondering why the same rules to this new chart are different. The illegitimate child is attached to the mother and the new husband and child are last in the descendancy line as they should be.


    I have lots of old charts I have printed but I really cannot go through them all to look for one.


    I tried to recreate in version 7 but I couldn't get a report because I have a 64 bit system.


    I appreciate the workaround but it is a real nightmare and the families wont like it that is why I am so sure that this hasn't happened before because I send people their charts to check and I have sent out hundreds..

    Is it possible that TMGW 8 no longer works with new support software?

    I will ask Terry to send the "real
    " family privately to you. He will post the one I recreated but it is the same as you described with yours.

    Thank you very much