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I am one of those strange people who like user manuals. And the TMGUG looks to be tremendous (500 pages in real English). It will keep me from sleep for a long time. However, I reluctantly realize that training material does have a place. Before I push the buy button for v8 (soon), I was looking for advice on the best package to include. The TMG Training Super Bundle looks interesting, which includes 'Getting the Most Out of TMG'. 'Primer for TMG' is out of stock, so some other time for that one (The Amazon price is a bit too high at $131 in Canuck-land). I have looked a bit at Second Site, and Terry Reigel's site, which contain a great amount of information. So do I really need to purchase the above 'books'? Thanks, Stan Cruise