Journal Report

[Roich 0]

Hi,

I have a question about reports. I am using the Journal style, and I would like to know if I could get “Richard Henry was born on 23 Sep 1951 in Saint Vincent's Hospital, Staten Island, NY, (son of James D. Henry and Thornell F Rood), without “The parents of” showing up on the children’s listing also. I changed the Principal’s Birth sentence to: [P] was born <[D]> <[L]> ([PAR]) <[M]>. The child sentence is the default, [P] was born <[D]> <[L]>.

 

Also, how can I stop the (James, #4) from printing if I can get “The parents of” to work? Nothing I have trird seems to work.

 

Thanks,

Rich

[Terry Reigel 0]

I would like to know if I could get “Richard Henry was born on 23 Sep 1951 in Saint Vincent's Hospital, Staten Island, NY, (son of James D. Henry and Thornell F Rood), without “The parents of” showing up on the children’s listing also. I changed the Principal’s Birth sentence to: [P] was born ([PAR]) . The child sentence is the default, [P] was born .

Well, more or less. <_>

 

First, it hard to have the comma and parens structure, because the comma before "son of" is hard wired into [PAR] variable. You could restructure the sentence so the comma works, or use the [FATH] and [MOTH] variables, which don't include the ", son of" phrasing. Trouble is, you need to account for no parents, father only, mother only, and both parents, and get the parens right in each combination. That cannot be done with a single sentence at the tag type level. You would have to either use local sentences, or create Roles that address the various combinations and apply the appropriate role.

 

Second, there is not an easy way to avoid the phrase for the children. Children who are continued aren't that hard - chose "born 1861" or "b. 1861" options on the Tags tab of options. Those options don't use the tag sentences but construct the output in a short-cut format.

 

But for children that would not be continued the birth tag sentence is always used. You could avoid that as you suggest by using the default sentence, which could easily be done with roles. But the problem is knowing in advance which children will not be continued. For example, if you reduce the number of generations, you could end up with children who were continued in a descendants report now not being continued. Or, children who are not continued in a Ancestor Journal may well be in a Descendants Journal.

 

But if you are sure of the reports you will run, you can make this work.

Also, how can I stop the (James, #4) from printing if I can get “The parents of” to work? Nothing I have trird seems to work.

I think you are looking for the "Back reference gnerations" option on the Names tab of Options.

[Roich 0]

Well, more or less.

 

First, it hard to have the comma and parens structure, because the comma before "son of" is hard wired into [PAR] variable. You could restructure the sentence so the comma works, or use the [FATH] and [MOTH] variables, which don't include the ", son of" phrasing. Trouble is, you need to account for no parents, father only, mother only, and both parents, and get the parens right in each combination. That cannot be done with a single sentence at the tag type level. You would have to either use local sentences, or create Roles that address the various combinations and apply the appropriate role.

 

Second, there is not an easy way to avoid the phrase for the children. Children who are continued aren't that hard - chose "born 1861" or "b. 1861" options on the Tags tab of options. Those options don't use the tag sentences but construct the output in a short-cut format.

 

But for children that would not be continued the birth tag sentence is always used. You could avoid that as you suggest by using the default sentence, which could easily be done with roles. But the problem is knowing in advance which children will not be continued. For example, if you reduce the number of generations, you could end up with children who were continued in a descendants report now not being continued. Or, children who are not continued in a Ancestor Journal may well be in a Descendants Journal.

 

But if you are sure of the reports you will run, you can make this work.

 

I think you are looking for the "Back reference gnerations" option on the Names tab of Options.

 

 

Terry,

Thanks, I quess I'll have to play some more with sentences. I hadn't got as far as one or no parents, so thanks, I'd be thinking I finally got it only to find a blunder farther on in the report. I haven't tried roles yet, but I quess I'll have to.

The "Back reference gnerations" worked just fine. It was grayed out, so I missed it before.

Thanks,

Rich

[Terry Reigel 0]

Thanks, I quess I'll have to play some more with sentences. I hadn't got as far as one or no parents, so thanks, I'd be thinking I finally got it only to find a blunder farther on in the report. I haven't tried roles yet, but I quess I'll have to.

You're welcome Rich. The [PAR] variable automatically deals with having only one or both parents, and with the conditionals then deals with none. When you "build your own" with the father and mother variables you need to do that yourself. Getting the conditionals and the parens all right with every possible combination can be tricky. There is a Role Tutorial on my website that may be helpful with the general idea of using Roles.

The "Back reference gnerations" worked just fine. It was grayed out, so I missed it before.

Many of the options for Journals are dimmed if you chose one of the standard styles on the general tag - that's to enforce the options that are part of those styles. But if you choose the custom style you have access to all the options.