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Virginia I had another look at your suggestion and have come up with a solution. I looked at the Report, List of People and then used the Witnessed census1911, Year = 1911 OR Census1911 Year = 1911 to filter the people and managed to pick them all up. Thanks for your help Is there an explanation anywhere where you can see whether a filter will pick up Principle People only, witnesses only, or both, e.g. Census1911 Year = 1911 ? Regards Derek

Virginia Thank you for your suggestion. I have looked at the Report definition Screen - List of Witnesses, there does not appear to be a Secondary Output facility to set a flag on a person in the reports as there is in the "List of People" and "List of Events" Secondary Output. What I am trying to do is to set a flag so that I can then use the project explorer filter to list the people I have not found 1911 census records for.. Would it be possible to include a function for each event "Is Present" and "Is Absent" on the Reports List of People and List of Events and on the Project Explorer . This would then easily allow you to set a flag on the person depending upon whether an event is present or not. This would help in searching for missing events such as census, births, baptisms, death, burials etc. Regards Derek

Michael Thank you for the suggestion. I have tried it on the UK version of TMGv8. After getting a list of events and messages to say that it would change 119 people I got the following error message:- Command contains unrecognised phrase/keyword 45 CHANGEFLAGLOE. It provided three options Abort, Retry and Ignore. Only Abort allowed me to progress but it had not set the flags. Is there a way of reporting this error to the developers. Any other suggestions round the problem. I also tried it on TMGv7 and it worked OK. Regards Derek

Neil Thanks for your suggestion. I have a Census1911 tag set up. I tried your suggestion using (TMGv8) of Census1911 "# of Tags" = 0 and it gave me every member of the project. I also tried Census1911 "# of Tags" = 1 and this returned no results, even though there were circa 100 people with a 1911 census entries. I have also tried it on TMGv7 and found that it only works for people who are principle in the event. It does not seem to work for witnesses. I tend to include all the people in a census household in a tag event. So typically the husband and wife would be the principle members and the children would be in the witness positions as sons, daughters etc. So it is back to square one. Regards Derek

The 1911 Uk census has just become available in Ancestry and I am trying to find the people who I have not already found in the 1911 census yet. My ideal would be to be able to filter by not having an event (Census1911) attached to a person. It does not seem possible to do this! Would it be reasonable to ask for this as it could apply to finding people without births, baptisms, deaths, burials etc. events. The way I have found round this is to set up a new flag FCen1911 and then set a List of People filtering on "Census1911 role contains A|E|I|O|U" and then settijg the flag via the secondary output. In TMGv7 this gives me 93 results. In TMGv8 on the same converted project it gives 35 results. I have looked at the results and it gives me all the Head of Household's, but no wives, sons, daughters etc.. If I add a new 1911 census records the people mentioned in this census also appear in the list. I have also gone and amended a person e.g. son, daughter who was not a principle and they will then also appear in the list. So it appears to be something to do with filtering on converted events. Any suggestions how I get round this? Regards Derek

When I produce reports from TMG v 7 I find the number of Output Columns limited at 9. This may be appropriate for paper reports but when exporting to a spreadsheet e.g. Excel, this is a limitation. Can the number of output columns be increased to say 20. Regards Derek Gillibrand

Thank you for the suggestion. I am not sure that the Living Flag will work because it is whether they were living when the event occurred. So for instance a person may be the father of the bride (say) twice. The first wedding may be before he dies and the second after he dies. So I think the two role approach is the best for my situation. Thank you for your suggestions. Regards Derek

I am trying to generate a different sentence depending on whether the person was alive or not when an event occurred. This is mainly for the parents of the bride and groom at a wedding where they may be shown on the certificate even if they have died. I thought something like if he is alive [RF:father of groom] was shown as the father of the groom at [R:Bride] and [R:Groom]'s wedding <[L]> <[D]>. <[M2].> But if he had died [RF:father of groom] although he had died was shown as the father of the groom at [R:Bride] and [R:Groom]'s wedding <[L]> <[D]>. <[M2].> Any ideas on how this can be achieved? Regards Derek

Thanks for the reply and the useful comments. On the role "QUOTE The other problem with this is if the person is one of the principles, e.g. Head and son are the principles. I will need to modify the sentence in this case. Why would you do that? The solution is to always enter the children as witnesses." There are several instances where I would enter a role in either a principle or a witness. For instance if two sisters are living together. I would have one as Head and the other principle as a sister. Widower and son etc. I try and include two people in a Principle roles as I extract to Ancestry and Genesreunited via a Gedcom file. When producing the Gedcom file only the Principles are included in the Tag not the witnesses. Regards Derek

I have decided to use the following for census roles. Head of Household:- [RP+:Head Of Household] was listed as head of household in the [Y] UK census <[L]>. <[M].> I have used the “+” as I want to force the name to be used in each case. I have included the [M] so that all people at the household are listed once. Wife [RF:wife] was listed as [R:Head Of Household]'s wife in the UK [Y] census <[L]>. I have used the role [RF] in this case as there can only be one wife and I want to include the first name. I have excluded the memo as this would be included in the Head Of Household entry. Roles e.g. son, daughters etc. [W] was listed as [R:Head Of Household]'s son in the [Y] UK census <[L]>. I have not used [RF] as there may be several people in a role e.g. two sons, and you would get “John and Peter was listed as…”. I want some like “John was listed as Tom Parker’s son in the 1911 UK census ….” [W] provides the full name. There does not seem to be a way of just getting the witness first name. The other problem with this is if the person is one of the principles, e.g. Head and son are the principles. I will need to modify the sentence in this case. In addition married daughters will be reported as their maiden name. I have not found a way of including the name of the current person. If they are a principle you can use [P], if they are a witness you can use [W] but what if they could be either? Suggested enhancements Is there a way of requesting product enhancements to TMG. I would like to suggest the following enhancements. [C] the current subject irrespective of whether they are a principle or a witness. Together with the full range of abbreviations e.g. [CF], [CG], [CGS] etc. [ROLE] the role of current subject e.g. son, sister etc. With these enhancements, it would be possible to generate a single sentence which related to many roles. e.g. [CF] was listed as [R:Head Of Household]'s [role] in the [Y] UK census <[L]>. Similar sentences could be constructed for wills, probates etc. Regards Derek

Thanks for all the suggestions. Does anyone know if it is possible to create the role dynamically e.g. [role]. If there was a possibity of this then I could use something like:- "[RF:sister] was listed as [R:Head Of Household]'s [role] in the [Y] census <[L]>. <[M2].>" Regards Derek Any suggestions

When I copied the 1901 Tag Type to 1911 I had difficulty amending the sentances for each of the roles. Is there a quick and easy way of changing the sentances for each role so that it says 1911 instead of 1901. The sentances are typically like "[RP:sister] was listed as [R:Head Of Household]'s sister in the 1911 census <[L]>. <[M2].>" Regards Derek

Terry I had worked out that you could do it manually. In the UK there are 8 censuses 1841-1901 and about 38 roles per census. So it would need changing in circa 300 places just for the census. Then there are the other events as well!!! The use of They relating to a single person seems a bug to me. Why does the variable [RP:Rolename] produces "They" rather than "He" or "She." In what context is this correct? Regards Derek

Jim Thanks for the info. I have tried it and it has woeked. Regards Derek

I import data from Familysearch e.g. BMD. This data is quite often in upper case particularly if it relates to Parish Records. It is annoying that you have to go through the data and change it to Mixed Case. It would be much quicker to have the ability to have the option to change the data to mixed case when the files are being imported into TMG. Another option on Step 5 of the import option to allow to change the case to Upper/Lower or Mixed Case. I understand the problems with some names but it could be explained that you have the option to Change to another case or not. Regards Derek