Exhibits not elligible for reporting?

[depke 0]

I have attached images as primary exhibits to numerous persons in my database. When I create a report (e.g., descendant indented narrative) or chart (e.g., descendant box chart), why don't all of the primary exhibits appear in the output?

 

I've selected the proper reporting options to include the primary exhibit image in my output. My exhibits are all External JPG files. I've run Optimize and VFI multiple times and it confirms my images are found in the proper path.

 

Many of the images appear properly in the reports but I noticed one particular fellow whose primary image was not shown. This person has several other images attached to his person so I made one of them the "primary" and it appeared fine in reports and charts. But when I go back to set the original image as "primary" it would not appear in the output. When I selected report options to "include all images", the image in question was not included with the other images in the output (to an RTF file). The image appears fine in the regular "Exhibit Log" and in the Image Window that I display in my screen layout. I removed all saved thumbnails then recreated them again, to be sure I wasn't seeing just a thumbnail phantom in my Exhibit Log.

 

Finally today, I completely deleted the image from the Exhibit Log, ran Optimize and VFI, then re-added the same external image as the "primary" exhibit for the person, and now it appears properly in the reports and charts. Why? It is as if most of TMG can find and manipulate the images fine, but they are somehow not found or eligible for reporting or charting. I made no other changes - just to delete the exhibit and re-add it as "primary". I even cut'n-pasted the original description and caption back into the properties in Exhibit Log.

 

From my experience today attempting to create a 3 generation descendant box chart containing primary images, I found 25% (6 of 24) images were not appearing. Now I know the work-around to delete and re-add the exhibit, but I don't know how many other exhibits have this condition and I don't know how to find out, or how to prevent this from recurring. I have about 1700 total exhibits, maybe 200 of them are primary person exhibits. VFI says everything is fine and I have no missing exhibits. In my example above the external image was a simple 8.3 filename, but I also have the same problem with other primary images with "long" filenames. Also note that this particular exhibit is not unusually large or different from other JPG exhibits that are working fine.

 

Questions:

How can I identify the exhibits that need to be deleted and re-added so they will appear in reports and charts?

Is there some way to "fix" the problem without having to delete and re-add exhibits?

Is there something I should do differently or some habit I should adopt to prevent this problem from recurring in the future?

 

Fyi: I'm running TMG Gold v6.12, on Win'XP Pro (SP2). My TMG "project" contains 11959 people in a single dataset.

 

-Ken

[Mike Talbot 0]

I have attached images as primary exhibits to numerous persons in my database. When I create a report (e.g., descendant indented narrative) or chart (e.g., descendant box chart), why don't all of the primary exhibits appear in the output?

 

I've selected the proper reporting options to include the primary exhibit image in my output. My exhibits are all External JPG files. I've run Optimize and VFI multiple times and it confirms my images are found in the proper path.

 

Many of the images appear properly in the reports but I noticed one particular fellow whose primary image was not shown. This person has several other images attached to his person so I made one of them the "primary" and it appeared fine in reports and charts. But when I go back to set the original image as "primary" it would not appear in the output. When I selected report options to "include all images", the image in question was not included with the other images in the output (to an RTF file). The image appears fine in the regular "Exhibit Log" and in the Image Window that I display in my screen layout. I removed all saved thumbnails then recreated them again, to be sure I wasn't seeing just a thumbnail phantom in my Exhibit Log.

 

Finally today, I completely deleted the image from the Exhibit Log, ran Optimize and VFI, then re-added the same external image as the "primary" exhibit for the person, and now it appears properly in the reports and charts. Why? It is as if most of TMG can find and manipulate the images fine, but they are somehow not found or eligible for reporting or charting. I made no other changes - just to delete the exhibit and re-add it as "primary". I even cut'n-pasted the original description and caption back into the properties in Exhibit Log.

 

From my experience today attempting to create a 3 generation descendant box chart containing primary images, I found 25% (6 of 24) images were not appearing. Now I know the work-around to delete and re-add the exhibit, but I don't know how many other exhibits have this condition and I don't know how to find out, or how to prevent this from recurring. I have about 1700 total exhibits, maybe 200 of them are primary person exhibits. VFI says everything is fine and I have no missing exhibits. In my example above the external image was a simple 8.3 filename, but I also have the same problem with other primary images with "long" filenames. Also note that this particular exhibit is not unusually large or different from other JPG exhibits that are working fine.

 

Questions:

How can I identify the exhibits that need to be deleted and re-added so they will appear in reports and charts?

Is there some way to "fix" the problem without having to delete and re-add exhibits?

Is there something I should do differently or some habit I should adopt to prevent this problem from recurring in the future?

 

Fyi: I'm running TMG Gold v6.12, on Win'XP Pro (SP2). My TMG "project" contains 11959 people in a single dataset.

 

-Ken

 

I had a similar problem a few years ago, after merging two data sets into one.

 

The images originating from Data Set 1 (before the merge) behaved perfectly in reports. Those from Data Set 2 did not appear in any report. All images looked correct in the exhibit log The only solution was to manually redefine all images that originated from Data Set 2.

 

Did you merge Data Sets?

 

Best wishes and good luck,

Mike Talbot

[depke 0]

I had a similar problem a few years ago, after merging two data sets into one.

 

The images originating from Data Set 1 (before the merge) behaved perfectly in reports. Those from Data Set 2 did not appear in any report. All images looked correct in the exhibit log The only solution was to manually redefine all images that originated from Data Set 2.

 

Did you merge Data Sets?

 

Best wishes and good luck,

Mike Talbot

 

Thanks Mike!

 

Actually, I did merge two datasets! It was over two years ago and I'd forgotten about it. By coincidence, the people where I notice this problem all happen to be from that old dataset #2 that I merged long ago. The images appear fine in Exhibit Log and in the Image window so I never noticed the problem until now when I'm trying to use images in reports or VCF. Most of my output has been to Second-Site and all of these images appear as normal in that application.

 

It is as if the images attached to people (and events) from that old dataset #2 are not fully recognized in my current TMG project with a single dataset. Maybe the exhibit data is still marked internally somehow as belonging to dataset #2? Today with more experimenting I added a new image as "primary" to one of these people that already had an existing "primary" image from long ago. My Exhibit Log ended up with both images marked as "primary" at the same time, but only the new picture appeared in the Image window.

 

Next questions:

Is there any "fix" for this other than to delete and re-add exhibits?

Is there a way to identify the exhibits that have this problem? I could run a list of people where "# of exhibits > 0", and then delete/re-add their exhibits, but I'm not certain which people came from that old dataset #2, two years ago.

Is this really some kind of "bug" when merging datasets? or did I overlook some procedure when I merged the datasets?

[Mike Talbot 0]

Thanks Mike!

 

Actually, I did merge two datasets! It was over two years ago and I'd forgotten about it. By coincidence, the people where I notice this problem all happen to be from that old dataset #2 that I merged long ago. The images appear fine in Exhibit Log and in the Image window so I never noticed the problem until now when I'm trying to use images in reports or VCF. Most of my output has been to Second-Site and all of these images appear as normal in that application.

 

It is as if the images attached to people (and events) from that old dataset #2 are not fully recognized in my current TMG project with a single dataset. Maybe the exhibit data is still marked internally somehow as belonging to dataset #2? Today with more experimenting I added a new image as "primary" to one of these people that already had an existing "primary" image from long ago. My Exhibit Log ended up with both images marked as "primary" at the same time, but only the new picture appeared in the Image window.

 

Next questions:

Is there any "fix" for this other than to delete and re-add exhibits?

Is there a way to identify the exhibits that have this problem? I could run a list of people where "# of exhibits > 0", and then delete/re-add their exhibits, but I'm not certain which people came from that old dataset #2, two years ago.

Is this really some kind of "bug" when merging datasets? or did I overlook some procedure when I merged the datasets?

 

Can you remember the sizes of your two Data Sets before the merge? If you have not run Reindex, you can approximate which ID numbers were from Data Set 2.

 

You have identified two bits of data, that I did not see, that should help TMG fix the problem.

1. You can have 2 Primary Exhibits!!!

2. Second Site circumvents the problem!!!

The TMG Utility also circumvented the problem and would not find the offending images at the time that I had the problem.

 

I would have taken a much longer time to discover this exhibit problem if not for VCF. Without VCF, TMG is just another genealogy program. If only all TMG chart reports would output to VCF!

 

Good luck,

Mike

[depke 0]

Can you remember the sizes of your two Data Sets before the merge? If you have not run Reindex, you can approximate which ID numbers were from Data Set 2.

 

You have identified two bits of data, that I did not see, that should help TMG fix the problem.

1. You can have 2 Primary Exhibits!!!

2. Second Site circumvents the problem!!!

The TMG Utility also circumvented the problem and would not find the offending images at the time that I had the problem.

 

I would have taken a much longer time to discover this exhibit problem if not for VCF. Without VCF, TMG is just another genealogy program. If only all TMG chart reports would output to VCF!

 

Good luck,

Mike

 

Unfortunately the "List of People" filtered by "# of Exhibits > 0" is not working for me. It seems that whatever problem prevents these exhibits from showing in output, is also preventing me from filtering them. Spot checking a couple of my people that have these older primary image exhibits - they are specifically listed as having zero (0) exhibits. So, I can't get a valid listing of the people who have exhibits in my database.

 

Is there any other means to discover or list entries that have this problem? I've re-indexed within the last two years so I can't go much on ID numbers. I do remember several of the family names that should have had exhibits, but it's mostly a guessing game.

 

I thought of restoring my DB from before my datasets were merged, and trying to list those people that had exhibits. But that "merge" was over two years ago. I keep quite a few "rolling backups" of my project DB on another disk/machine, but I don't have one from that long ago.

[PhilD 0]

I've asked Ken to send a backup of his project so we can dig into it.

 

Phil

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