Ron Stonehouse 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2007 The following is a conversation that I have had with Phil in Tech Support. As you can see he has suggested I post it here in case others might be interested. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron, I can add it to the 'Wish List' but to be honest it will carry more import and impact to the designers if you post it the Support Forum and garner some support from other users. The more folks that are clamoring for an enhancement the more apt it is to become reality. Phil At 07:18 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >Thanks Phil, > >The issue is two fold. >1. One is where the citation detail is different as you mentioned, but >that is less common in my circumstances than what I'm encountering. >2. The other is Person A has a source of "World Wide Web" with sureties >of "1" and person B has a source of "personal information" >with sureties of "2" on let's say a birth tag. What I was getting at >was would it be possible for source "personal information" to be added >to the source list of person A during the merge. Person A would then >have two sources, 1 = "World Wide Web" with sureties of "1" and a >second of "personal information" with sureties of "2" on the remaining >birth tag. > >I can hope anyway. > >Ron > > >---------- >From: Phil DeSilva [mailto:phild@whollygenes.com] >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:46 PM >To: Ron Stonehouse >Subject: Re: Future Wishlist or Anomaly > >Ron, > >I believe that what you are seeing is normal activity. You aren't >deleting the source however. You are deleting the citation of that >source. When you uncheck an event on the merge page you are effectively >telling TMG to delete that event. With no event there can be no >citation of the information on that event tag. > >Now I haven't tested the following but intellectually it seems sort of >a resolution to the issue. I'm assuming that in your example the same >source is present in both pre-merge data sets. i.e. 1910 census. After >the merge you now have 2 1910 sources in your project. If you now use >the Master Source list to merge those two sources then all the events >have the same source number and you're off and running. BUT if the >citation detail between the 2 birth tags is different then nothing has >been resolved since when you delete the event you delete the citation >detail for that event. John Cardinal may have something in his TMG >utilities that could be used to combine the CDs of two sources but I'm >not sure about that. > >Phil >Wholly Genes Tech Support > > > >At 02:51 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >>Good morning. I don't know if what I have encountered is an anomaly or >>something I would like to have added to the wishlist. If this is a >>wishlist item please add it for future consideration. >> >>Here's my situation: >> >>I have recently successfully merged two dataset and when merging >>duplicate people I'm finding that the sources quoted in one person's >>records are not being merged into the second person's record where the >>same tags with identical information exist and only one is checked to >>be retained. >> >>eg if person B (data set has a birth tag with source #20 (may be >>the same or different from person A) and now gets merged with person >>A (data set A) with a birth tag having source #5, that source #20 is >>lost if the birth tag on person B is not marked for merger. If it is >>marked for merger then the birth tag for B is created as a separate >>birth tag for person A. (not always wanted, although I know that >>multiple tags of the same tag can exist) >> >>This is probably normal but I would expect that the source from person >>B would be added to the source list for person A for the same tag when >>only one is selected. This effectively prevents loss of sources >>related to each tag. >> >>I'm aware that both sources are contained in the Master Source list >>and the missing one could be added to the remaining tag, however that >>could involve a lot of extra and possibly unnecessary work especially >>where 100's or 1000s or records are involved in a dataset merger. >> >>Please let me know if this is an anomaly or a wishlist item. >> >>Ron Stonehouse >><mailto:ron.stonehouse@stonehouse.ca>ron.stonehouse@stonehouse.ca >>www.stonehouse.ca Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joanmc 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 At the very least, it would be most helpful if the CDs could be seen during the merge process. Then one could decide to keep both or which of the 2 should be kept...... Thanks to Phil for suggesting it be posted here as it is something that most of us will encounter sooner or later. Joan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Stonehouse 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Joan, I agree and it makes a lot of sense. That's an option I never thought of. Thanks for pointing that out. Ron The following is a conversation that I have had with Phil in Tech Support. As you can see he has suggested I post it here in case others might be interested. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron, I can add it to the 'Wish List' but to be honest it will carry more import and impact to the designers if you post it the Support Forum and garner some support from other users. The more folks that are clamoring for an enhancement the more apt it is to become reality. Phil At 07:18 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >Thanks Phil, > >The issue is two fold. >1. One is where the citation detail is different as you mentioned, but >that is less common in my circumstances than what I'm encountering. >2. The other is Person A has a source of "World Wide Web" with sureties >of "1" and person B has a source of "personal information" >with sureties of "2" on let's say a birth tag. What I was getting at >was would it be possible for source "personal information" to be added >to the source list of person A during the merge. Person A would then >have two sources, 1 = "World Wide Web" with sureties of "1" and a >second of "personal information" with sureties of "2" on the remaining >birth tag. > >I can hope anyway. > >Ron > > >---------- >From: Phil DeSilva [mailto:phild@whollygenes.com] >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:46 PM >To: Ron Stonehouse >Subject: Re: Future Wishlist or Anomaly > >Ron, > >I believe that what you are seeing is normal activity. You aren't >deleting the source however. You are deleting the citation of that >source. When you uncheck an event on the merge page you are effectively >telling TMG to delete that event. With no event there can be no >citation of the information on that event tag. > >Now I haven't tested the following but intellectually it seems sort of >a resolution to the issue. I'm assuming that in your example the same >source is present in both pre-merge data sets. i.e. 1910 census. After >the merge you now have 2 1910 sources in your project. If you now use >the Master Source list to merge those two sources then all the events >have the same source number and you're off and running. BUT if the >citation detail between the 2 birth tags is different then nothing has >been resolved since when you delete the event you delete the citation >detail for that event. John Cardinal may have something in his TMG >utilities that could be used to combine the CDs of two sources but I'm >not sure about that. > >Phil >Wholly Genes Tech Support > > > >At 02:51 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >>Good morning. I don't know if what I have encountered is an anomaly or >>something I would like to have added to the wishlist. If this is a >>wishlist item please add it for future consideration. >> >>Here's my situation: >> >>I have recently successfully merged two dataset and when merging >>duplicate people I'm finding that the sources quoted in one person's >>records are not being merged into the second person's record where the >>same tags with identical information exist and only one is checked to >>be retained. >> >>eg if person B (data set has a birth tag with source #20 (may be >>the same or different from person A) and now gets merged with person >>A (data set A) with a birth tag having source #5, that source #20 is >>lost if the birth tag on person B is not marked for merger. If it is >>marked for merger then the birth tag for B is created as a separate >>birth tag for person A. (not always wanted, although I know that >>multiple tags of the same tag can exist) >> >>This is probably normal but I would expect that the source from person >>B would be added to the source list for person A for the same tag when >>only one is selected. This effectively prevents loss of sources >>related to each tag. >> >>I'm aware that both sources are contained in the Master Source list >>and the missing one could be added to the remaining tag, however that >>could involve a lot of extra and possibly unnecessary work especially >>where 100's or 1000s or records are involved in a dataset merger. >> >>Please let me know if this is an anomaly or a wishlist item. >> >>Ron Stonehouse >><mailto:ron.stonehouse@stonehouse.ca>ron.stonehouse@stonehouse.ca >>www.stonehouse.ca Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
